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#1 bathory313

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Posted 27 September 2005 - 02:02 AM

Well, this is going to be a strange post, but I'm sharing it anyway. Most of you know that I am Wiccan. Here's the story: I was told by a male witch in New York that I may possibly be a special type of Witch called a Paladin. He told me that Paladins are witches of both light and dark, and that a Paladin can pull from either side without harm to themselves. He said that while male Paladins are rare, female ones are rarer yet. I had an entire coven in New York arguing over whether I was, or wasn't. The High Priestess seemed to think that I was.......He also said that Paladins are users of intimate magick; wherin the witch pulls energies from his or her partner during intimate activities. My question is, has anyone heard of Paladins or know anything about this? I never got a definitive answer from the man, he broke contact and I have not been able to reach him since. He was planning on defying his Priestess and sneaking down to meet me, so I don't know what went on from there. He said that information on Paladins (outside of video games) was difficult to find, that it was a very secretive topic. Info, thoughts, opinions?
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Posted 27 September 2005 - 11:42 AM

At first I thought about the Richard Boone character "Paladin" on TV's "Have Gun Will Travel". In the show Paladin used a buisiness card with the image of a chess knight on it. After doing a Google I found several buisinesses with the name Paladin, quite a few used the chess knight as a logo. The ones that didn't used a shield. I would imagine that a paladin is a sort of knight or protector.
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Posted 27 September 2005 - 11:58 AM

Some definitions I got are...

"Someone who fights for a cause."

"A person revered for noble courage."

"Hero"

and the dictionary def. I got...

SYLLABICATION: pal·a·din
PRONUNCIATION: pl-dn
NOUN: 1. A paragon of chivalry; a heroic champion. 2. A strong supporter or defender of a cause: “the paladin of plain speaking” (Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.). 3. Any of the 12 peers of Charlemagne's court.
ETYMOLOGY: French, from Italian paladino, from Late Latin paltnus, palatine. See palatine1.
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Posted 27 September 2005 - 02:11 PM

I wonder if his coven may have been more involved in the Celtic style of the arts.
That seems to be the only thing I can associate the word or knowledge of 'Paladin' to. I say that because my mothers boyfriend had been studying Celtic shamanism for quite some time. He was talking to me one day last year about what he had found out when he did some 'travelling' for my mom. That she had been (and still is) a Druid Pirncess but a very special sort and that sort is very rare. I can't recall if he used the word Paladin or not but if I remember correctly, it started with a P (first thing I thought of when I saw your post) One of the main reasons he had the talk with me was his insistence that I should be studying shamanism. Said he's run into me on a few occasions on the astral plane whether I knew it or not and this should be second nature to me because the knowledge is in my blood becuase of my heritage :clap: I'll be visiting them on Sunday so I'll ask him about it again and see if there's any more information I can dig up for you. I'm not so certain about the secrecy of the topic but if the Paladins are related to the Celts then its understandable why there is so little information about them. Much of the religious culture involved had been lost when the Church began to take control of Ireland. Moreso than not the practices and specifics had been taught by word very little had been written down that hadn't been destroyed or lost since then.
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Posted 28 September 2005 - 01:54 AM

:cheerleader: thanks, 'boo, I'd appreciate it if you think about it. I had never heard of this before, so I don't know if he was pulling my leg or what. But I had spoken to the Priestess on the phone and online, so I don't know. I just thought the best place to find answers would definitely be here on GV. And thanks, Axman, for your info, too. Yes, there seems to be some ties with knights or something. Hmmmmmmmm
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Posted 01 October 2005 - 02:56 AM

:brownbounce: thanks, 'boo, I'd appreciate it if you think about it.  I had never heard of this before, so I don't know if he was pulling my leg or what.  But I had spoken to the Priestess on the phone and online, so I don't know.  I just thought the best place to find answers would definitely be here on GV.  And thanks, Axman, for your info, too.  Yes, there seems to be some ties with knights or something.  Hmmmmmmmm

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Might just be taking the "mickey' out of you.
A paladin is as stated in previous posts, however I did find some RPGs (Role Playing Games) that have paladins, below is a quote of their character.

A Paladin, though, must always remain Lawful Good and is a tougher class to role-play at times.  However, too often people assume this means that the Paladin is without personality quirks, character flaws, or mirth. 



Having checked several sources for "magical" paladins, I have come up with zero.
Are you sure they are a coven, and not an RPG group?

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Posted 02 October 2005 - 10:04 PM

Well I was able to talk to my mom and her boyfriend today and I can't say that I was able to get much more info about it then than what was online as far as rpg's were concerned. My mom looked it up to show me they are real lol I said I knew that much for the most part but what I was interested in was any information on them that didn't involve rpg's (She had to laugh and say good luck with that because that's mainly all there was) So what else could I do but check it out in the good ol' wikipedia B) and found something interesting


Quoted from the wikipedia link below
A paladin is the prototypical "knight in shining armour," a hero of sterling character and courage, who rights wrongs and defends the weak and oppressed. The word comes from the Latin word palatinus ("attached to the palace") - compare palatine. The original paladins of legend appeared as the heroes of the Chanson de Roland and of the other romances of chivalry which told of the legendary court of King Charlemagne. Legends originally tell of twelve paladins attached to Charlemagne's court. The best-known list comes from the Italian epics of Tasso and Ariosto and their successors; it includes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paladins

It goes on to list the twelve paladins (or twelve peers of France)and what I found interesting was that it mentions at least one had been a sorcerer. Another thing I found really interesting is two of them had also been categorized as saracens.

(The term Saracen comes from Greek sarakenoi. In the early centuries of the Roman Empire it was used as the name of an Arab tribe in the Sinai, apparently taken from the Arabic word شرقيين sharqiyyin ("easterners").
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saracen

I find that interesting because one of the books I have about the Celts it goes a bit into the earlier history of them and suggests that some of the ancestors came from the Middle East. Maybe I'm trying to tie too much together but it seems like I'm on the right track now for possibly gathering a bit more information with the idea I have that they could be more associated to the Celtic culture. Apparently Paladins did exist as knights but I'm wondering if the term had been adopted and applied to the magical aspect when the culture had been revived.
I'll let you know what I find as soon as I can :)
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Posted 03 October 2005 - 04:22 AM

i am a trainee witch, but i have never hear of a paladin, there is nothing in my witches' bible about them. i will have to do some research about them.

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Posted 03 October 2005 - 07:03 AM

i am a trainee witch, but i have never hear of a paladin, there is nothing in my witches' bible about them. i will have to do some research about them.

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Paladins stem from the 12th century and are predominantly French in flavour, making their appearance about the same time as the Arthurian legends were popularised by the French.
In the quote below are thr primary aspects of a Paladin, and though they appear to have been empowered by the Gods, they don't seem to have any magical conotations at all.
In celtic literature there are no Paladins per se, although it must be said that every culture has its' heroic warrior figures with very similar attributes to the Paladin, therefore they are not unique in purpose.

If magical covens have suddenly decided to incorporate titles of Paladins, and differing levels of such (you were either a Paladin or not, no levels), then they are a complete artificial structure for at no time have Paladins ever been associated with any magical attributes or powers.

To me, it sounds like someones personal wet dream and self agrandisement (or to give their particular coven greater stature) with no basis in fact, history, nor legend.
Another of the make it up as you go type crew, and keep the sheep bamboozeled.


"The Calling of the Paladin is of the most high and ancient origin. Long ago, when Men of all races strove against Chaos and Darkness, the Gods sent down grace and leadership unto those among us who were pure of heart and purpose.
Those so chosen became shining beacons of leadership and courage to all around them. Each Paladin throughout the ages has been a focus for the forces of Light against Darkness.
Thus, each Paladin must ever seek within for the dedication and purity of spirit required to lead and inspire. We lead, not by shouting orders or commanding from afar, but rather by our example. A Paladin shall ever be the first into battle and the last to retreat, never quavering no matter the odds lest others fail in their own courage as well. A Paladin must ever be a shining example of courtesy and honor -- 'tis better never to have been born than to forswear your oath once you give it as a Paladin.
Yet all is not grim, for a Paladin is not some hermit locked in a tower and forbidden the taste of life. No, far from it! For each Paladin may choose to wed in good time and raise a family, such that honor and courage may be taught even to the babe on his mother's knee.
The one abiding purpose of a Paladin be to live as an example to others of courage, virtue, and leadership.
A wise Paladin never seeks judge over others, but shall never refuse to aid in settling a dispute if aid may be given.
If ever the Darkness should conquer the Light, the last gleam shall come from the uplifted blade of a righteous Paladin.
"It is important that you understand that to be a Paladin is not just a profession, it is a method for being."
"Any barbarian can lead a mob, but a paladin will turn a mob into an army."



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Posted 05 October 2005 - 02:04 AM

I'd like to thank everyone for the hard-found info. Strangely enough, the male told me that little is known of Paladins except for the RPG characters. I myself have never come across much about them, and I've been studying this stuff for years. Ma Bung, you had me snorting with laughter over the comments in your above post. Perhaps he just wanted to find out what MissBathory was all about *ahem* if ya get my drift. I think it was 99% fantasy mixed with a bit of historical truth.

Anyhoo, this was fun and y'all amaze me with your detective skills.
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Posted 05 October 2005 - 11:48 AM

Hmmm . . . a rather interesting topic. Myself, I've been tracking down a possible Arabic connection to the origin of the word "paladin," everything keeps coming to a dead end. The word is supposedly Latin in origin, but it sure sounds like it could be Arabic.

It also sounds a lot like "Saladin," a great Arab leader of the 12th century who was a key player in the Third Crusade. His name comes from "Salah ad-Din" means "The Righteousness of the Faith" in Arabic. It sure sounds like it could easily describe a paladin of the Middle Ages, as well . . .
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Posted 21 October 2005 - 10:53 AM

I'm not sure, but it sounds a lot like Aladin.

Heh...

I have heard of the term, but at the time I didn't even know it was witch-related.

I believe there's info on Paladins @ Wiccaforums.com.
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Posted 19 February 2016 - 08:00 PM

The best way to find information on a specific type of witch or warlock is to gain access to the place these abilities come from. The soul of a Wiccan comes from the Plains. Most who have accessed their abilities go to the Plains when they sleep and return to Earth when they wake. If you are a paladin you probably already know it over there and may already be training. It's more a matter of making yourself look past the dreams your brain puts in place of where your memories of the Plains should be. An occasional flash comes through those dreams and can be used as a means to recall the rest. Just find a moment that sticks in your mind longer than the rest of your dreams as you forget what you dreamt about throughout the day. Hold that moment in your mind. It should be a place that reoccurs in most of your dreams and feels more like home that the physical world. Meditate on it. After a while you'll recall people you know there, things you've done, and other details of a life you didn't know you were living. This comes with knowledge of your true self and your true potential. If you want more information on how to test if you are a paladin by using your abilities in this world I can assist you. I'm in training on it myself. A paladin's responsibility is to guide, protect, and teach. We are very strong leaders but should not lead on our own. We are born in groups of twelve. Much of any group of us though may only be on the Plains. Not all you meet there have a body here. They have either already been here and learned what they needed to or they do not need to come here yet.




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