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#16 CreepyCT

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Posted 22 November 2005 - 12:51 AM

Right on, brother.

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Posted 03 December 2005 - 01:01 PM

they dont hang around in the cemetery but in the field........i have known people that have gone there and have seen there postings......for awhile even the state cops would not go down that road........but they did worship there or whatever they do.......and they used to chase people out of there and they had a method.....one used to sit on the main road coming in as a lookout and they would have someone chase you out if you out stayed your visit.......they would bump your car and they would use force.......the first time i got chased they chased me all the way to bristol, that was the very first time i went up there and did not know my way around...........but the stories about the kkk are true and they didcarry weapons, but seeing that all the people have been going up there, they do not sit up there any more and you will no longer see their cars parked along the road seeing "someone" smashed all their windows out one night........wether you believe that or not it is true, they have since moved their place of worship or meeting place, its a hangout for ghosthunters and the staties.....
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Posted 06 December 2005 - 06:05 PM

I just got through speaking with a secretary for the State Police at a barracks in Bristol and she said that the KKK stories are absolutely false. He said they're all urban legend started by kids in the area and he went on further to say that no state officer would ever be intimidated by a threat such as the one you're referring to. Quite the contrary, he said that if the state ever got wind of anything like that, they would be up there in force ready to take on whatever people were threatening others. He said it was an absolute ridiculous claim and, if you don't believe that, come check out the records and call the state offices for proof. His name is Daniel McArthur and he is ready, willing and able to disprove all such claims as the KKK having any kind of domain in Burlington.

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Posted 06 December 2005 - 06:08 PM

Sorry, I didn't mean to call Daniel a "she". Woops, sorry.

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Posted 26 December 2005 - 07:58 AM

sorry it took me so long to get back to anyone ive been working a lot lately....say what you want but the kkk did worship there and i know that as a fact.....
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Posted 03 January 2006 - 07:31 AM

What, exactly, did they "worship"? I was under the impression that KKK members were racists who believed in Christ. Certainly, if they were "real" KKK members, they would have no reason to be up in the woods "worshipping" something. Racists may be ignorant homophobes, but they certainly don't worship in the woods. Real KKK members are scary only in their ideology. Posting notices for "worshipping in the woods" is not only stupid, but non-commonsensical. I still cannot understand why you insist on perpetrating a myth that was begun by little boys up at the Fresh Air Camp. In speaking with a former camp counselor, John Bynam, he insists that the stories of the KKK were bandied about (certainly) but also hastens to add that they were complete fabrications on the parts of the boys who went to camp there. I know it's difficult to let go of a long-believed story of death and destruction and mayhem, particularly when you felt you were a victim of the so-called KKK mob, but there must come a time when reason and fact enter into your claims and you must finally come to terms with the pure truth: there never were KKK group meetings in the woods in Burlington. I'm sure that a teenaged fantasy of getting chased by cars and nearly "bumped" off the road is exciting when you're fifteen years old, but when you apply common sense, it just doesn't add up that a bunch of rapidly diminishing members of the Ku Klux Klan were brandishing weapons and running people off the road in this day and age when law enforcement officers, members of the society at large in Burlington, and former workers at the Fresh Air Camp all claim it's pure urban legend. What happened to you may have been scary and may have seemed a "dire circumstance" when you were younger, but let's get real. If what you say is true, and you did absolutely nothing to report these fools, then the situation may not have been as "dire" as you claim. Not to mention the fact that, if you're planning on writing a book in the future, you may wish to refrain from your inferences and focus on solid fact instead. Trust me when I say that people of all types check into your stories and, believe me, they will come to the truth.

Either back up the story with "fact" (a newspaper article, website address, police report, town meeting archives, etc.) or resign yourself to the pure and simple truth that you just fell for one of the more prolific urban myths in the area.

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Posted 03 January 2006 - 07:51 AM

Also, you may be interested to note that there is a gentleman in a white pick-up truck who constantly surveys the Seventh Day Baptist Cemetery and Upson Road for any sign of potential trouble-makers (particularly vandals in the cemetery). If he spots people in the graveyard, he will drive by slowly to ensure that no one is damaging any of the historical property. He is a worker for the water company and has made it his personal mission to ensure that nobody messes with the gravesite. Some folks who visit there, and who are legimately interested in history (with cameras, candles and such) are ignored by this gentleman. Those causing trouble are immediately escorted from the property or the police are called. I firmly believe that some teenagers who thought themselves chased from the property late at night may very well have been escorted from the property by this man in his white pick-up. He drives by day and night to ensure its safety. As scary as a driving escort may be, I can imagine how many young kids going up to the graveyard for mischief or late-night curiosity ran into this man and his pick-up truck, only to be escorted from the area, eventually altering the story slightly. A gentle driving escort from the property may have turned into a high-speed chase with shots ringing out and drunken maniacal yelling and gun-waving. Perhaps, just perhaps, there is an air of truth to the truck theory, but I'm sure this gentleman would be the man to speak with if you're truly interested in getting the real story. Apparently, he has been watching the Cemetery property since the mid-70s when all the headstones were smashed to bits . . . not by KKK members . . . but by idiotic teenaged vandals, interested only in destruction of historical property. For someone so focused on the truth about Elisabeth Palmiter, you might wish to put more emphasis on getting to the bottom of this KKK myth. Personally, I think it's just kids fantasizing. But it would be interesting to get to the actual core of the story and find out how and why the myth began. Just a thought, from one writer to another. Remember, check and re-check and re-check your sources. Belief should only be the foundling basis for your writings. You must, especially when writing about historical fact, always research and dig up the truth. Don't write your feelings unless it's an "Opinion" piece. If you want the facts, you have to find them.

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Posted 08 January 2006 - 09:18 AM

i thank you for your comments and your disbelief into someones personal experiences, but i tell you that they are factual, as for a nice slow escort out of the dirt road that the cemetery resides upon, that it was not. This was a full blown chase that ended in the central part of Bristol. As for the story being ficticious about the KKK worshiping in the wooods many of these purists do worship or study their beliefs in the woods in this day and age as there "religion" or their belief is not a well practiced or well thought of belief. And they still do this in the woods or secluded areas as that no one will bother them as they do it just as christians go to a church to study their belief. Even in my high school Holocust class, our teacher had brought forth many of their fliers that were passed out to members to come to their gatherings and most of them were in the woods or at a warehouse as they will not be able to go to a public park or green and practice their beliefs, as that may draw much unwanted attention for them. As for the KKK starting the "rumor" i can not tell you if that is true or not as i do not know how long they have been going there and doing this, but you have to remember that all rumors start with some truth to them for the most part, and as for bringing you some proof, newspaper articles and so forth i do not think that will ever happen as like i said they do like to remain secretive throughout this, but they did post it on the internet at one point about their meetings, as it is probab;y no longer on the internet the only thing you can do it is take my word on it that it used to be there. Again to bring up the white pick up, it was an older model cavalier that chased me and not a pickup and it was not a escort. I do know when someone is trying to run me off the road and not escorting me. i am not delusional and i have no reason to lie on matters like this. And i have to to say that when i do write something that i am not sure to be true, i include that statement in and make sure to tell everyone that this is the "story" and dont pass it off as undespituable fact. But when i know the truth, i do press the point and let people know. Just as i know the KKK chased me and did gather in those woods, that is the truth. And on another point, i do not think that belief should be the founding basis of anyones writings, it should be the truth in these cases. Contrary to belief, the truth is so much more fun.
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Posted 13 January 2006 - 10:22 AM

To state that "belief" should not be the founding basis for any story is silly. Without belief, there is no story. And simply believing doesn't make the facts suddenly false. If I believe that a house is haunted because of different experiences I've had, that doesn't mean that the house ISN'T haunted. Belief doesn't negate truth. In order to investigate a crime, police must believe that a crime exists. Believing in something doesn't make it false. Yes, some people believe in things that may not be true, but that's not a constant, by any stretch of the imagination. The phrase, "Guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" (I'm sure you're well familiar with) doesn't infer "Guilty beyond a reasonable truth". It infers "Guilty beyond a reasonable belief". If the jury has a reasonable belief in doubt, it doesn't make them wrong. To found a story based on belief is nothing more than coming to a reasonable (or unreasonable) conclusion. It still does not infer "false claim." In order to create a story at its foundation, one must have a basis for belief in the subject (not necessarily in fiction, but in other writing). If there is only fact, then you're a journalist (or at least you should be). Writers of historical events and those who build a chronology of events for a particular subject use fact to support belief. Fact "supports" belief. Belief never "supports" fact. Belief is opinion. Therefore, the founding (FOUNDING, as in "foundation") basis for any story must be belief.

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Posted 14 January 2006 - 02:29 PM

I guess that i have to agree with you on some of that, but i still believe that the basis of writings should be facts of a.k.a the truth, because people have many beliefs but as you said that all beliefs are not true maybe not all of them or most of them, but some are false. If you are righting on beliefs, than you are a reporter.
Just as the Republican- American just found out again is that sometimes you can not jump the gun with your
beliefs seeing that they can be wrong. As they reported that 12 men survived in the mine and the next day we found out that only one had survived causing people false hope. As with the book that i am compiling about haunted sites of Connecticut, it will be based on fact more than beliefs. But that will not make me a journalist, that will make me a good writer and my book not a work of fiction. Why has it not come out, because of course i am still looking for the truth behind the stories and rumors. Of course, going to school and working doesnt leave me much time to do anything but study and sleep. So what you write about dictates what you look for and what style you use to get your message across. As for the cops investigating, they do not have to believe that a crime exsists to look into a matter. The victim causes them to look and the fact that it is there job. Believing only makes them work harder.
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Posted 16 January 2006 - 02:14 PM

Journalism has never been about activism or "belief". Ask any journalism major in college if they can write what they "believe" and they will answer with an emphatic "no". Any editor of any newspaper or news magazine will support that as well. Just pick up the phone and call the editor of a local paper. As for the story about the miners, I hope you have done your homework and have realized that the false claim that the miners were okay came from the family members gathered at the church themselves, not from the journalists covering the story. That claim from a family member (that the miners had all survived) whether or not they were right, is still a fact covered by the journalist. He used his sources (the family member) and not his beliefs. Not journalist worth his/her salt will ever claim to write an article or news report based on beliefs. If they do, then they're NOT journalists. Talk to your friends. They'll back me up on this point.

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Posted 04 February 2006 - 06:31 PM

I just got through speaking with a secretary for the State Police at a barracks in Bristol and she said that the KKK stories are absolutely false. He said they're all urban legend started by kids in the area and he went on further to say that no state officer would ever be intimidated by a threat such as the one you're referring to. Quite the contrary, he said that if the state ever got wind of anything like that, they would be up there in force ready to take on whatever people were threatening others. He said it was an absolute ridiculous claim and, if you don't believe that, come check out the records and call the state offices for proof. His name is Daniel McArthur and he is ready, willing and able to disprove all such claims as the KKK having any kind of domain in Burlington.



I think the police have no idea what the hell is going on. I recently went to Greenlady Cemetery in Burlington CT with a few of my friends. We thought it was pretty spooky. As we were driving up the road to leave, we noticed a large field with a pond and a quite enormous hill. As my friends and I walked up the hill a red gasoline canister fell down the hill. My friend Joel had kicked it by accident while running up the hill. When we all got to the top of the hill we noticed a huge "S" in a big Circle. It had other designs on it too. As we all walked back down the hill, we noticed a line of small white candles in those little silver cups going down the hill on either side, as if it lined up for some kind of walkway. It could be the work of Ghost Hunters setting up some kind of ritual ground, but from all the things I have heard about the KKK meeting there I highly doubt that it was set up by people trying to connect with the "beyond." Either way, it was a truely spooky experience walking around there.

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 11:05 AM

its definitely interesting to know. You never know who could be up in those woods, as for all the trails that lead up to the field. A lot of people ride the atvs up through the trails so they dont have to park the cars in there anymore. The cops i think do know somewhat as to what was going on up there, maybe not all the cops, but most did, as till a little while back they would not park their cars on that road and sit or even pull you over in there, they would follow you out and pull you over on the main road if they happen to see you go through there.
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Posted 10 February 2006 - 04:16 PM

The unfortunate thing about that area is that it is fast deteriorating and becoming a dumpsite. The "enormous hill" that Ghosthunter212 refers to is actually a refuse pile that has been accumulated over the years by bulldozers and dump trucks. As for the "S" symbol, as I explained in an e-mail to Ghosthunter, it is the symbol for "Samhain", the Wiccan New Year, and this line of candles certainly sounds like every Wiccan ceremony I've ever heard described. And don't fool yourself. The police know exactly what's going on up there. They're privy to all the regulars who visit and they also have the entire area under pretty much constant surveillance. Believe me, when a place such as Burlington Cemetery draws so many people, the cops are more than aware of what is going on. Instead of all the guesses and conspiracy theories, I implore anyone to simply speak with the police in Burlington. They will reiterate everything I've said and will also let you know their opinion on the supposed KKK presence. It's pretty difficult to hide in today's age of technology, particularly when you're either breaking the law, or you're actively threatening other citizens. Speaking of which, the citizens of Burlington in that area scoff at any suggestion of ghosts, witches or KKK. They are quick to tell you how ridiculous the whole thing is. As for being fearful of going up into that area, the locals will tell you that they're only afraid of running into teens and young adults going out at night to cause mischief. The only danger in those woods, I'm afraid, are all the urban myths begun by scared little boys up at the Fresh Air Camp back in the 60s when the camp was still opened. Much can be said for feeling "spooked out", but much can also be said of how the dark tends to play tricks on your eyes and your mind. Go up there in the day and it's a perfectly peaceful and beautiful place. Besides, even if you believe in the story of the Green Lady hauntings, you should be well aware that the vast majority of tales surrounding the Green Lady are those of harmless peaceful appearances. These ridiculous tales of people dying in car crashes or being attacked Freddie Kruger style are nothing more than attempts at embellishing what most paranormalists around the country deem the "most boring ghost in America". It's about time we grow up and face the realities and let go of the childhood fantasies. No one's ever died in that area, nor have they been attacked. No police reports, newspaper articles, town records or any other official tallies have ever been produced. It's simply a good story, but nothing more.

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Posted 11 February 2006 - 08:14 PM

Again, i tell you to believe what you want to believe, and this i will tell you again is not a myth, perhaps they do not go up there anymore, but they did. As for the freddie krueger deaths and all that, i cant help you there and i have to agree that is just myth. Like i said before, the most of the cops did know what was going on up there, they just didnt want to interfere. I have been there in the day and the night and the dark doesnt play tricks on your mind when there is a car chasing you doing 80 down the backroads. I am not crazy nor a lunatic that thinks that everything that goes bump in the night is a ghost or is paranormal. I am not dwelling in a childhood fantasy as you are led to believe and i am sorry that you are not open to the truth and take anything folks say at face value, but the truth is it was a site for the KKK meetings. Plain and simple. As for people not being attacked or killed, we will never completely know as there are too many police records to go through and not everything makes its way into a newspaper, but it would be hard to believe that no one has as every town, including the quite ones, all have their mishaps. I am only a stones throw from there and see much going on in the town and surprised that a person such as yourself has not been able to turn any such information.
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