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#1 no1plumbrr

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 09:46 AM

Has anyone investigated any camps. As much as I want lost family members to rest in piece I worry about lost and tormented souls.
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Posted 01 May 2013 - 04:35 PM

I personally can't think of any groups that have formally investigated any concentration camps. That issue, though, has been discussed ad nausem on another board I belong to, and the general concensus is that its still just too soon.

However, I've always kind of had the same thoughts you do...are there any souls that need help trapped there?

Well...for one thing, I don't think a paranormal investigation would do any good, even if there were. Most investigators (including the popular TV personalities) DON'T attempt to remove or "cross over" entities. There is never any guarantee that any such methods employed actually do work, and personally....I don't think its really up to us to make that decision, or in some cases, to even facilitate it. Perhaps they are there for a reason, and if we convince (or make) them to move on, maybe they're missing out on some purpose they are to serve.

Anyway, I'm not a fan of Sylvia Browne, but she does teach one tenet that I find very comforting when it comes to wide scale tragedies. It is her belief that these victims actually reincarnate together en masse for this specific purpose...to teach humanity a lesson. Because of this sacrifice, these people already know (subconsciously) their fate, and that THEY chose this for themselves, so...they don't become trapped. They automatically move on.

That doesn't mean that there isn't a residual imprint on these places that can be picked up on by even those with no psychic ability at all. That much suffering is sure to leave its imprint on the environment, even if there are no sentient entities trapped there. And...that theory kinda coincides with the majority of stories that come out of places like the concentration camps, and even the 9/11 sites. These stories generally tend to leave out tales of interactive, intelligent "ghosts" and focus more on people picking up on extreme sadness and other empathic emotions. From time to time, there are tales that do include sightings of people, hearing sounds, and even experiencing smells, but these could all easily fall under the residual category.
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Posted 01 May 2013 - 05:18 PM

Thank you, those are some good points. Maybe someday I can find out forsure. Don't know if I could be there or even watch on tv.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 08:54 AM

I personally can't think of any groups that have formally investigated any concentration camps. That issue, though, has been discussed ad nausem on another board I belong to, and the general concensus is that its still just too soon.

However, I've always kind of had the same thoughts you do...are there any souls that need help trapped there?

Well...for one thing, I don't think a paranormal investigation would do any good, even if there were. Most investigators (including the popular TV personalities) DON'T attempt to remove or "cross over" entities. There is never any guarantee that any such methods employed actually do work, and personally....I don't think its really up to us to make that decision, or in some cases, to even facilitate it. Perhaps they are there for a reason, and if we convince (or make) them to move on, maybe they're missing out on some purpose they are to serve.

Anyway, I'm not a fan of Sylvia Browne, but she does teach one tenet that I find very comforting when it comes to wide scale tragedies. It is her belief that these victims actually reincarnate together en masse for this specific purpose...to teach humanity a lesson. Because of this sacrifice, these people already know (subconsciously) their fate, and that THEY chose this for themselves, so...they don't become trapped. They automatically move on.

That doesn't mean that there isn't a residual imprint on these places that can be picked up on by even those with no psychic ability at all. That much suffering is sure to leave its imprint on the environment, even if there are no sentient entities trapped there. And...that theory kinda coincides with the majority of stories that come out of places like the concentration camps, and even the 9/11 sites. These stories generally tend to leave out tales of interactive, intelligent "ghosts" and focus more on people picking up on extreme sadness and other empathic emotions. From time to time, there are tales that do include sightings of people, hearing sounds, and even experiencing smells, but these could all easily fall under the residual category.

I like the idea of them coming back to teach let's just hope who they go to listens.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 10:47 AM

yeah, no kidding ;)
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Posted 17 May 2013 - 07:50 PM

Are ghost investigations allowed in former concentration camp sites? I thought they'd be off limits out of respect.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 03:58 PM

"Well...for one thing, I don't think a paranormal investigation would do any good, even if there were. Most investigators (including the popular TV personalities) DON'T attempt to remove or "cross over" entities. There is never any guarantee that any such methods employed actually do work, and personally....I don't think its really up to us to make that decision, or in some cases, to even facilitate it. Perhaps they are there for a reason, and if we convince (or make) them to move on, maybe they're missing out on some purpose they are to serve."

Theresa, exactly! I have been turning that particular aspect over and over in my head. I have always wondered why are some people involved in this field so dang anxious to help or push spirits to the light, the next level, the heck out of Dodge, Who are we to say they HAVE to move on. Who says there is a higher level or another world for all to move to after they pass. Who says they want to move on. We consider the other side with human reasoning and place our own rules and regulations on how people move on after they pass away. And I get tired of the throw-down reason of "unfinished business". That's spewed when someone has no idea or wants to make the easy comment.
As far as concentration camps are concerned, it seems that would reason for everything else involved in a war situation. Unlike at Gettysburg, I never here of mass hauntings in Normandy, Guadalcanal, Stalingrad; somewhere with a large loss of life. From time to time I hear of an account of a haunting at a random location, but nothing like what is experienced at Gettysburg, or even other Civil War battle sites. I have even heard of a few experiences out of Afghanistan and Iraq.
No matter how much all of this is investigated, we will never know why this is this or that is that. In my opinion, all we can do is experience and apply human reasoning, though it most likely won't mesh with the realities of the afterlife.

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 12:19 AM

I visited one Concentration Camp. That was enough for me. It was a smaller satellite camp named Flossenburg. The atmosphere was so heavy it was like walking through water at the bottom of a pool.
Admiral Canaris and Major-General Hans Oster were murdered there and a number of America 82nd and 101st Airborne soldiers along with everyone else. The soldiers had escaped their POW camps and were recaptured and executed. Himmler had told the German people that Airborne troops were murders recruited from prison.

The ash pile from the crematorium is still there.

I've seen the tobacco pouches, wallets and lamp shades made out of human skin.

I cannot abide anyone who claims the Holocaust never happened.

Everyone should visit a Concentration Camp at least once.



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Posted 26 May 2013 - 12:31 AM

Investigating them would be the utmost in disrespect.
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Posted 26 May 2013 - 02:44 PM

Thank you all, warms my heart that you guys have so much compassion for not only my people but for all the lives lost, in such a horrible act of humanity. SHALOM (peace)

Thank you all, warms my heart that you guys have so much compassion for not only my people but for all the lives lost, in such a horrible act of humanity. SHALOM (peace)

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 09:13 AM

I don't know, you guys may come down on me for this, but I don't see how a consentration camp is any different than anywhere else wherein masses of people died in a variety of ways. If it is disrespectful to investigate at a concentration camp, then it should be everywhere else. I see it as a continuation of what happened there, just as with all of the studies, ducumentaries, books, dramatic movies and such and in the same vein as anyone or any group investigating a Civil War site, especially one of the prisoner camp sites. I can see paying respects to those who perished prior to an investigation and then performing it, I just don't agree with dropping of the knife and saying "No, this is off limits, but everywhere else if fine." Just imagine what could potentially be learned from an investigation such as this.
If people are going to champion paranormal investigating and its legitimacy, then there should be an open mind to investigating all probable haunted locations. Obviously whomever oversees the site would have the final word, with which I have no qualms. And I'm just considering all angles of paranormal investigating.

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 05:22 PM

Let's just day that I would not investigate a concentration camp.

But then again I won't be in the same house let alone the same room as a Ouija board

I won't do "Seances", "Table Tipping" or any of that stuff and if I see a Shadow Person I'm heading the other way in the most expeditious manner possible.

Thank you all, warms my heart that you guys have so much compassion for not only my people but for all the lives lost, in such a horrible act of humanity. SHALOM (peace)


Thank you all, warms my heart that you guys have so much compassion for not only my people but for all the lives lost, in such a horrible act of humanity. SHALOM (peace)

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 08:21 AM

I see we differ in the other things you listed, logan. My youngest son has seen several shadow people in our house. He sees them briefly and then they disappear. We discuss it whenever he has a sighting. I'm disappointed that I don't see them.
As far as the others, lets just say my wife won't let me bring an Ouija board into the house. Maybe I should try that at a location far, far away, like a convenience store.
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Posted 30 May 2013 - 08:21 PM

I would never encourage, or want, an investigation of any former concentration camp...definitely out of respect for those who've lost their lives there. I've seen many documents and photos smuggled out of Bergen-Belsen (for example), and although it was such a terrible place in the history of the human race, I still believe that any sort of investigation would only be regarded as "exploitation" of such tragedies. What would be the point of it? Certainly, any group that investigated one would want the publicity of being "the first"...and that's not what it's all about. It is about respect.
But in fairness, I'm a coward - I would never want to even visit a former concentration camp, out of fear of being overwhelmed by emotion and also, possibly, any form of communications from those souls who might be left behind. I feel it'd be different from, say...visiting the Hiroshima Peace Park. Most of those people were vaporized instantly, whereas those who perished in the former camps had to have some idea that they were going to die. So much sadness and pain...I wouldn't be able to deal with that.
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Posted 31 May 2013 - 08:00 AM

I guess I'm in the minority, then; maybe then only one.




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