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Posted 17 October 2005 - 05:53 PM

I wanted to open a new thread about Psychics .

What do you think about their abilities ?

Believers , tell us your experiences and how you know psychics are indeed real.

Skeptics , tell us why they are fakes.

Anyone have any direct proof either way? Anyone ever have an experience with a psychic where they were right on target? Dead wrong?

Here is your chance to state your case.


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Posted 17 October 2005 - 06:17 PM

I believe in psychics but I think alot of people make alot of money from say that they are psychic when they are not. A certain woman that is a regular guest on a day time talk show, I haven't seen anything psychic from her what so ever.
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 06:31 PM

I've had experiences with both Charlatans and the "Real Deal". There are frauds in every aspect of life. It just takes time to weed through them all and decide for yourself what rings true in your heart.

I went to a psychic at a street fair once when I was in my 20's, I didn't expect much, but she told me that someone with the initial "S" was cursing me and if I gave her $20, she would lift the curse! I walked away....FRAUD!

Years later I attended a house party at which a psychic was present. She gave me an incredible reading. She told me that I would meet a "Kevin" (I did, soon after and we have been together for 16+ years). There were more things that she told me that came true, but it has been so long now since I've seen her that I can't recall every detail. I will have to dig up the tapes and take a listen.

About 6 years ago after my mom passed away, my dad and I decided to visit a medium "George Anderson" who is very well known in the New York area. It was an incredible experience and it left us both with a sense of peace that I didn't think was possible. He was right on target with so many things without any input from us. In fact, he told us beforehand not to offer up any information. He told us everything we needed to know and even communicated with my great grandmother whom I didn't really know very well. It was a truly magical experience and I left that session elated...as did my dad. He had always been a Skeptic, but after that experience he felt differently. It was a touching experience and I will always treasure it.
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 10:53 PM

There are the good, the bad, and the ugly. I have had a fair share of experiences with psychic. I am a pretty open guy when it comes to them. They have to prove it to me though. I once visited one with my wife. This girl was totally horrible. I opened my mind up as wide as it could go but after 3 sec she couldn't even look me in the eye. She got all nervous and after a minute I had to say “Ok thats enough.” for fear she would break down or something. I am glad she said I didn't have to pay her :P . Others I have talked to (mostly those who I don't have to pay) are pretty good. But they know me so they really have to wow me. A recent friend wowed me by starting a conversation with “Who's Ron?” of course Ron was a friend from my old town which she didn't even know about. She also didn't know he died recently so when I said bluntly “He's dead!” I think she felt a bit awkward. But still she was right on target on what was on my mind.

A lot of people say that we all have this power deep down in ourselves somewhere. I personal believe that we can develop psychic powers but there a select few that can really do it well.

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Posted 21 October 2005 - 04:13 AM

Well, as I've stated before, my experience with psychics is primarily with those who have chosen to appear in the media spotlight. While some have been caught red handed "cheating", most start out doing what is referred to as a "cold read". What generally happens in a cold read is the psychic claimant makes several statements (often times vague, often in the form of a question), and when one of these statements registers with the person being read, the cold read usually progresses to a "warm read". A warm read is when the reader starts offering additional bits of information to the psychic claimant which can then be extrapolated on. For instance, a claimant might start out with "I'm getting an "S" name". This elicits a response from the sitter like, "My husband was named Steve." The reader can then deduce, since the sitter used the past tense "was", that Steve is either dead or the two are divorced. Additional cues like body language and tone of voice can help make the determination which is the case. Throughout a reading, the claimant generally avoids making firm statements, instead preferring questions. If a line of questioning isn't going well, or has run dry, the claimant can then go back to offering multiple bits of information until another one registers with the sitter. It generally doesn't matter what percentage of the information the claimant offers is accurate. All that matters is scoring a handful of hits that register with the sitter, and the sitter will go away from the experience convinced that the claimant really is psychic.

Now, let me state a couple things very clearly so as to hopefully avoid needless arguments and hurt feelings. 1. It is certainly possible that real psychic powers operate to all appearances exactly the way a cold read operates. However, call me close minded, but I would expect a higher rate of accuracy from a paranormal power than I would from a psychological skill. If I see no difference in the results of a person claiming to be psychic and what a skilled cold reader can achieve, I'm afraid I'm going to have some doubts. 2. Just because a person is doing a cold read doesn't mean that he or she knows that's what they are doing. Especially now, with so many psychics utilizing what looks for all intents and purposes like the cold read technique on TV, others will seek to emulate those techniques to find out if they might themselves be psychic. They aren't trying to decieve anyone, they're just doing what the psychic on TV does. And lo and behold, it works for them, too.

That's why, in my own way, I tend to agree when people say "everyone has these abilities and can develop them." Absolutely. I just find it more likely, based on the evidence, that the abilities being developed are a psychological skill rather than anything paranormal. Probably everyone has done a "cold read" without consciously realizing that's what they were doing. A new person is introduced to us, and we take note of their appearance, their mannerisms, etc. and form an initial impression of the person. There's a lot you can pick up just by observing how a person looks and the way they talk. Ask a few questions and you'll not only get the answers you were looking, but you can extrapolate from those answers to make other educated guesses about the person. And you don't even have to be consciously trying to do this. Your brain will just pick up on certain things and make some assumptions, some of which will likely be correct.

The other side of psychic phenomenon that I often hear about are the occasional dramatic, dead-on predictions. Often these are things like dreams of a plane crashing, or a prediction that a public figure will die. These often seem very impressive on first glance. However, there are a few important things to pay attention to. First, what's the accuracy rate of the given psychic with such predictions? If we have somone who, for example, predicts every year that the President of the United States will be assassinated, through multiple administrations, is it really that amazing a prediction if it does happen to come true? The other thing to consider is how specific is the prediction? For example, planes crash every week. If someone says "I had a dream of a plane crashing" and the next day on the news I see a report that an airliner went down over the Atlantic, should I be impressed? Depends. Did they describe the right kind of plane? Name the airline? Name the location the plane would go down, or at least provide a fairly detailed and accurate description of the location? The cause? Did they specifically say the plane would crash tomorrow, or was the time frame uncertain? Without any kind of supporting details, saying a plane is going to crash "sometime this week" is hardly amazing. It's a given.

So anyway, that's what I believe and some examples of why.
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Posted 09 November 2005 - 10:17 AM

Years ago a psychic Told me I would be moving up north to a mountain area.
I was in the bay area and was looking to move to the coast of Oregon.
First she said she saw me in Idaho on the pan handle, then she said no not Idaho
Montana.
I told to her I was moving in April to Oregon or back to Seattle WA were I was from.
She said "no your not. Your moving to Montana, and your moving in early June."
She also said I would be visiting Seattle in the next couple of weeks.(I had no plans to do so.)
I left her dissapointed in my reading.
When I got home my husband had news that he had gotten us plane tickets to go to Seattle to visit my dad in 2 weeks as an X-mass surprise for me.
After we got back from our visit to seattle we were offered a job in (can you guess) the north western part of Montana right by trhe Idaho border.
We took it, and moved june 6th.
We lived there for six years........ :angry:
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Posted 10 November 2005 - 10:24 AM

WOW...that is a weird story...
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Posted 10 November 2005 - 01:13 PM

My own personal experiences of Psychics/Mediums or whatever other title they choose to use is not a positive one.

I know I sound like a broken record but as yet communication with the spirit world is an unproven entity.

It's important that people understand the scale of what is being discussed - that is, we are saying that there is a possibility that a living human being actually mediates between this world and the next; communicating with those that have past.

That's some claim, and one that deserves more than hearsay, probability and faith.

Cold reading is a classic method used by most if not all Mediums, I can't possibly say they are all fake, but until I actually see or hear of the real thing my gut instinct is to be skeptical. The techniques used in cold reading often leave the subject stunned at what has been said, for many it's proof positive that the medium has indeed spoken/communicated with their family member.

Sadly this is not the case, they have merely been duped or conned in to thinking the individual in question is a genuine Medium. That's not to say they all cold read, there are many techniques in circulation, each equally effective.

So when people discuss an individual who often gives stunning information it doesn't prove their credibility. The facts speak for themselves, as yet not one living individual has ever proven to any degree that they speak with the dead.

Those that have faith in Mediums do so with faith alone and not proof. As I said, a good reading does not make for a psychic. Being faithful is one thing, but to truly believe in a Medium with no proof is not something I would ever do.

I wish the facts didn't point to this, but sadly they do.

I will expand on this later, I have spent time with a Medium and recorded his shows with a view to building a picture that would lead me to a conclusion, but as I said before, it only explains this one Medium, not all of them. I can't say they are all fake, but I strongly suspect they are either fake, dellusional or simply mistaken.

I hope my comments don't offend as they are my honest thoughts and are not intended to dampen or dent other people's beliefs.

I fully respect each and everyone of you who chooses to believe in Mediums, all I would ask is for you to take a step back and weigh up the evidence from an unbiassed point of view.

I would love to hear you thoughts on my comments.

Cheers...

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Depends on who they are as to whether I would trust them.
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Posted 15 November 2005 - 08:43 AM

Skeptical,

Psychics & Mediums use a very powerful tool which is suggestion. Theres a guy on TV here in the UK called Derren Brown. He does lots of experiments with the mind & without hypnotising (if even that works) he is able to make people believe and do certain things. He has studied the mind and can simply manipulate people based on how the mind works and human behaviour.

If you go to a medium pressuambly you would be trying to contact someone who has passed on. I think the medium has the edge already as the participent is already so eager to believe. An example of human behaviour aiding the psychic/Medium would be that no matter how skeptical you are we all want to think that after we die its not the end. Also of course they can do their homework a bit like Derek on most haunted (although he is entertaining).

A couple of friends of mine went on an investigation at a haunted house but found the whole experience was not scary and ruined because of naff mediums and pyschics making the whole thing laughable.

Just my View.

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Posted 15 November 2005 - 08:52 AM

It's good we all have our own views.
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Posted 16 November 2005 - 03:55 AM

Well, as I've stated before, my experience with psychics is primarily with those who have chosen to appear in the media spotlight.  While some have been caught red handed "cheating", most start out doing what is referred to as a "cold read".  What generally happens in a cold read is the psychic claimant makes several statements (often times vague, often in the form of a question), and when one of these statements registers with the person being read, the cold read usually progresses to a "warm read".  A warm read is when the reader starts offering additional bits of information to the psychic claimant which can then be extrapolated on.  For instance, a claimant might start out with "I'm getting an "S" name".  This elicits a response from the sitter like, "My husband was named Steve."  The reader can then deduce, since the sitter used the past tense "was", that Steve is either dead or the two are divorced.  Additional cues like body language and tone of voice can help make the determination which is the case.  Throughout a reading, the claimant generally avoids making firm statements, instead preferring questions.  If a line of questioning isn't going well, or has run dry, the claimant can then go back to offering multiple bits of information until another one registers with the sitter.  It generally doesn't matter what percentage of the information the claimant offers is accurate.  All that matters is scoring a handful of hits that register with the sitter, and the sitter will go away from the experience convinced that the claimant really is psychic.

Now, let me state a couple things very clearly so as to hopefully avoid needless arguments and hurt feelings.  1.  It is certainly possible that real psychic powers operate to all appearances exactly the way a cold read operates.  However, call me close minded, but I would expect a higher rate of accuracy from a paranormal power than I would from a psychological skill.  If I see no difference in the results of a person claiming to be psychic and what a skilled cold reader can achieve, I'm afraid I'm going to have some doubts.  2.  Just because a person is doing a cold read doesn't mean that he or she knows that's what they are doing.  Especially now, with so many psychics utilizing what looks for all intents and purposes like the cold read technique on TV, others will seek to emulate those techniques to find out if they might themselves be psychic.  They aren't trying to decieve anyone, they're just doing what the psychic on TV does.  And lo and behold, it works for them, too.

That's why, in my own way, I tend to agree when people say "everyone has these abilities and can develop them."  Absolutely.  I just find it more likely, based on the evidence, that the abilities being developed are a psychological skill rather than anything paranormal.  Probably everyone has done a "cold read" without consciously realizing that's what they were doing.  A new person is introduced to us, and we take note of their appearance, their mannerisms, etc. and form an initial impression of the person.  There's a lot you can pick up just by observing how a person looks and the way they talk.  Ask a few questions and you'll not only get the answers you were looking, but you can extrapolate from those answers to make other educated guesses about the person.  And you don't even have to be consciously trying to do this.  Your brain will just pick up on certain things and make some assumptions, some of which will likely be correct. 

The other side of psychic phenomenon that I often hear about are the occasional dramatic, dead-on predictions.  Often these are things like dreams of a plane crashing, or a prediction that a public figure will die.  These often seem very impressive on first glance.  However, there are a few important things to pay attention to.  First, what's the accuracy rate of the given psychic with such predictions?  If we have somone who, for example, predicts every year that the President of the United States will be assassinated, through multiple administrations, is it really that amazing a prediction if it does happen to come true?  The other thing to consider is how specific is the prediction?  For example, planes crash every week.  If someone says "I had a dream of a plane crashing" and the next day on the news I see a report that an airliner went down over the Atlantic, should I be impressed?  Depends.  Did they describe the right kind of plane?  Name the airline?  Name the location the plane would go down, or at least provide a fairly detailed and accurate description of the location?  The cause?  Did they specifically say the plane would crash tomorrow, or was the time frame uncertain?  Without any kind of supporting details, saying a plane is going to crash "sometime this week" is hardly amazing.  It's a given.   

So anyway, that's what I believe and some examples of why.

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Posted 16 November 2005 - 04:08 AM

My own personal experiences of Psychics/Mediums or whatever other title they choose to use is not a positive one.

I know I sound like a broken record but as yet communication with the spirit world is an unproven entity.

It's important that people understand the scale of what is being discussed - that is, we are saying that there is a possibility that a living human being actually mediates between this world and the next; communicating with those that have past.

That's some claim, and one that deserves more than hearsay, probability and faith.

Cold reading is a classic method used by most if not all Mediums, I can't possibly say they are all fake, but until I actually see or hear of the real thing my gut instinct is to be skeptical. The techniques used in cold reading often leave the subject stunned at what has been said, for many it's proof positive that the medium has indeed spoken/communicated with their family member.

Sadly this is not the case, they have merely been duped or conned in to thinking the individual in question is a genuine Medium. That's not to say they all cold read, there are many techniques in circulation, each equally effective.

So when people discuss an individual who often gives stunning information it doesn't prove their credibility. The facts speak for themselves, as yet not one living individual has ever proven to any degree that they speak with the dead. 

Those that have faith in Mediums do so with faith alone and not proof. As I said, a good reading does not make for a psychic. Being faithful is one thing, but to truly believe in a Medium with no proof is not something I would ever do.

I wish the facts didn't point to this, but sadly they do.

I will expand on this later, I have spent time with a Medium and recorded his shows with a view to building a picture that would lead me to a conclusion, but as I said before, it only explains this one Medium, not all of them. I can't say they are all fake, but I strongly suspect they are either fake, dellusional or simply mistaken.

I hope my comments don't offend as they are my honest thoughts and are not intended to dampen or dent other people's beliefs.

I fully respect each and everyone of you who chooses to believe in Mediums, all I would ask is for you to take a step back and weigh up the evidence from an unbiassed point of view.

I would love to hear you thoughts on my comments.

Cheers...

phen

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i personaily belive in meduims i think it can be done the mind is very powerfull , i come from a Romany Gypsy back ground and we are very sensitive to many things , However we cannot talk to dead people , as a beliver in meduims and very sensitive to peoples Karma and whether there telling the truth.Ive been looking for a meduim who is not a fake or goes cold fishing , i had heard very convincing meduims but i can tell there not bein straight , i still look in hope of finding one , i will know he/she is the real deal once i speak to them for ten minutes , my veiw might sound werid but on many times speeking to a meduim i have convinced them i am reading there fortunes , if your a meduim and your geninue i would love to here from you.I have been looking for more than 25 years and 100s of meduims but never found the real thing , i iwould like to find one as i belive they excist some where :wow: :wow:

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Posted 19 November 2005 - 11:13 PM

I have had a few experiences with real psychics, and quite a few with fakes. I have had my own psychic flashes; it's just something I cannot control or call on at will. I had a psychic who specialized in spirit guides tell me exactly what mine looked like; right on the mark, no questions about it. I gave her zero information, was careful about my body language, and even took off tell-tale jewelry. The fakes are pretty easy to spot, because you can feed them bogus info and they will just go to town on it. Also, a real psychic will not ask you for money directly, but instead will ask for a 'donation' of your choice at the end of the reading. Those who ask for money up front can be considered suspect!
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Posted 20 November 2005 - 10:58 AM

I basically think that every psychic you see on TV or in books is likely a phony. Especially that British guy on that UK ghost show. I think some people are real psychics, but they aren't jumping in front of cameras or looking for book deals.




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