
Forbidden Gospel?
#1
Posted 28 February 2006 - 11:29 AM
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Take my hand and we'll go riding through the sunshine from above
#2
Posted 28 February 2006 - 11:49 AM
I didn't lose my mind - I have it backed up on a disk ... somewhere
#3
Posted 28 February 2006 - 11:52 AM
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Posted 28 February 2006 - 11:58 AM
#5
Posted 02 March 2006 - 05:01 PM
#6
Posted 02 March 2006 - 08:46 PM
#7
Posted 03 March 2006 - 12:41 PM
Of course Judas was part of the plan -- what's supposed to be such a shock about that. That's the way we were taught in Catholic School 40 years ago, that Judas had to do what he did, for the prophacies to come true, and the plan to be realized. Ya'll think God didn't know what was gonna happen.
Well, that depends. Some members don't believe in God, some members consider the events as recorded in the Bible to be orchestrated in the hands of the Romans as opposed to ancient Judaic prophecy regarding the Messiah, some consider other, more wild theories. And some, like you, view it all on pure faith.
I'm with Aloha. Considering how long Judas himself lasted after the arrest of Jesus, the Book of Judas would more likely be how others viewed him and his role in the life of Jesus as opposed to being written by him (such as the Gospel of Luke). I think really that this particular book would fall under the Gnostic heading, along with the Book of Mary Magdaline, and the Gospel of Thomas. Interesting, thought provoking, a window into early Christianity prior to the various gatherings in which the Bible was put together, and a window into different concepts of the faith and the teachings of Jesus.
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#8
Posted 03 March 2006 - 06:31 PM
The planned publication of a "forbidden" Gospel of Judas is set to reawaken a centuries-old controversy over the man who betrayed Jesus.
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I also look forward to reading more, all we know of Judas after the "betrayal" is what is contained in the canon gospels. Even if was not written by Judas, it could reflect 1st century thought.
#9
Posted 04 March 2006 - 05:37 AM
Not sure how accurate that is...
The point which I should first wish to understand is whether the pious or holy is beloved by the gods because it is holy, or holy because it is beloved of the gods.
Sonnet XCIVBut if that flower with base infection meet,The basest weed outbraves his dignity:For sweetest things turn sourest by their deeds;Lilies that fester smell far worse than weeds
#10
Posted 04 March 2006 - 09:27 AM
I'd heard about this- something to do with those who originally followed the gospel believing that they should be as sinfull as possible in this life so that they could be forgiven all the more in the next?
Not sure how accurate that is...
Hmmm...I'm not really familar with that line of thought in early Christianity, but given what I do know about the various sects that were in exisistance, honestly it wouldn't surprise me in the least to find a group that believed just that.
And if I recall aright.....it was that very kind of thought that compelled the early Church Fathers to 'phase out" things like reincarnation (which was believed by several Pre-Christian European peoples).
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#11
Posted 11 March 2006 - 07:20 PM
#12
Posted 06 April 2006 - 01:39 PM
Manuscript sheds kinder light on Judas
Apr. 6, 2006. 01:35 PM
RANDOLPH E. SCHMID
ASSOCIATED PRESS
WASHINGTON — An ancient manuscript rediscovered after 1,700 years may shed new light on the relationship between Jesus and Judas, the disciple who betrayed him.
Rather than the traitor as Judas is portrayed in the New Testament, this document — The Gospel of Judas — indicates that he acted at the request of Jesus to help him shed his earthly body.
"Let a vigorous debate on the significance of this fascinating ancient text begin," the Rev. Donald Senior, president of the Catholic Theological Union of Chicago, said Thursday.
Senior expressed doubt that the new gospel will rival the New Testament, but allowed that opinions are likely to differ on it.
The text helps show the diversity of beliefs in early Christianity, added Marvin Meyer, professor of Bible studies at Chapman University in Orange, Calif.
Elaine Pagels, a professor of religion at Princeton University, commented that "the people who loved, circulated and wrote down these gospels did not think they were heretics."
The papyrus manuscript, probably written around 300 A.D. in Coptic script, is a copy of an earlier Greek manuscript, said Terry Garcia of the National Geographic Society, which made the manuscript public.
It was discovered in the desert in Egypt in the 1970s and has now been authenticated by carbon dating and studied and translated by biblical scholars, National Geographic announced.
Unlike the four gospels in the Bible, this text indicates that Judas betrayed Jesus at Jesus' request.
The text begins "the secret account of the revelation that Jesus spoke in conversation with Judas Iscariot.''
The key passage comes when Jesus tells Judas "you will exceed all of them. For you will sacrifice the man that clothed me.''
This indicates that Judas would help liberate the spiritual self by helping Jesus get rid of his physical flesh, the scholars said.
The manuscript was first mentioned in a treatise around 180 A.D. by a bishop, Irenaeus of Lyon, in what is now France. The bishop denounced the manuscript as differing from mainstream Christianity and said it produced a fictitious story.
There were several gospels in circulation at the time in addition to the four in the Bible. When those gospels were denounced, it was thought that believers hid them away.
The gospel of Judas was kept by a group called the Gnostics, who believed that the way to salvation was through secret knowledge given by Jesus to his inner circle.
National Geographic said the author of the gospel of Judas believed that Judas Iscariot alone understood the true significance of Jesus' teachings.
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#13
Posted 08 April 2006 - 11:45 AM
#14
Posted 10 April 2006 - 09:06 AM
I found it interesting that this is a genuine Coptic document, and how it really did end up to be a power struggle between sects. I didn't know that there were that many different Christian sects in the beginning.
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