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#31 CaveRat2

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 08:54 AM

I absolutely agree with your first paragraph...up to your referring to inter-dimensional beings...but I'll get back to that in a bit. Yes, I believe that there is still much that future generations could learn from studying the death camps, the battlefields and places of great human tragedies - almost like juries that personally visit crime scenes. You can learn a lot from illustrations and photographs, but until you're actually able to stand in a specific spot and see for yourself, the illustrations and drawings can only give you so much. With that in mind, I would have no problem whatsoever with visiting places like the Nazi death camps. And, if paranormal phenomena occurred during any of these visits, I would hope that it would be thoroughly investigated and rigorously documented - but to deliberately go, with the intention of stirring up the dust and disturbing any spirits who may be there, I would strongly say "no. let them rest in peace".
Your statement about the influx of reported paranormal activity corresponding with the advent of popular media and television seems accurate enough. Then again - how likely would it have been if people felt comfortable reporting seeing a ghost to the local newspapers before television came around? Television offers people their 15 minutes in the spotlight ("hey ma! I'm on the teley-vision!") with a wider audience. And who could tell if half of those stories, these days, are even close to being true? Sensationalism. That's what the people want, even if it's made up. Take, for example, the recent program on Animal Planet about mermaids - it was all made up. All of it. And people believe it was true because it was "sensational". The same could probably be said about most of the people who say the seem ghostly regiments marching up hills at Gettysburg - it's probably not true, but it's "sensational".
I'm a bit lost, CaveRat, by your use of the word "they". When I used it, I was referring to any souls or spirits of people who died because of the concentration camps. I was not even thinking about inter-dimensional beings (you brought that up, not me!). But let's bang that one on the head:
Whether they exist or not is not what I think was the gist of the original post (I'd have to go back and read it), but if (as you write) they are the puppet-masters behind everything the human race goes thru...if they are Dr Pavlov and we are just their dogs....what would happen if we (as a species) decide to do nothing when they (those darned inter-dimensional buggers) ring the bell? If we begin to suspect that they're playing with us, should we continue playing their games?

No - what happened at the concentration camps was very real. Millions of innocent people died. To understand the historic value that we, as a species, can learn (even all these years afterward) is one thing - but to go around there, trying to contact anybody who'd died in these places would be greatly (IMO) disrespectful. And these people deserve respect, because they didn't get it when they were dying. Inter-dimensional beings or not, that's a stain we humans did ourselves. To say "maybe it was someone or something from some other universe (or whatever) is still dodging the plain, basic truth. Humans did it. And I'm not going to do anything when "they" (your use of the word, not mine) ring the bell - I'll wait to see the tasty treat before I start drooling.


First of all, my comments mentioning "They" was in reference to the interdemensional beings that might be observing us, not to any who may have died in the camps. The Pavlov's dogs experiment is a good analogy to what might be one explanation and is the area I was going with my example. If that is the case then we could really screw with their heads by doing just the opposite of what "they" might want. If we just knew what that was. (I would emphasize this is just another hypothesis with no proof to back it up, just every other ghost theory out there!)


I completely agree regarding trying to contact any who perished in the camps; doing so would need to done with discretion. The reason I brought up Interdemensional entities is as an alternative explanation aside from the traditional ghost / spirit theory. In fact we don't even know any souls remain at the death camps; they may have llong since went on to their reward. For that matter there really is no proof anyone lingers behind, thus the reason to consider other alternative explanations for what we consider paranormal. We investigate to find answers and the truth. We need to remain open to all possibilities including the possibility we may be wrong in thinking spirits even remain behind. At this point all options are open; no proof of anything has been found yet.

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 09:08 AM

Most likely what we call spirits, are people in a different dimension whether or not they once lived or not remains to be seen. But from what I have seen and heard most scientists believe in parallel universes.
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Posted 13 June 2013 - 09:31 AM

Right??? :/ lol
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Posted 13 June 2013 - 11:32 AM

Well, my physics tearch/nerd/wife would talk your ear off about parallel universes. It's interesting to consider, though.

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 11:21 PM

As far as I'm concerned, until inter-dimensional beings are willing (or able) to show themselves or make contact in some way, I'll just go on doing what I do, and not worry about whether they're controlling our lives or not.
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Posted 13 June 2013 - 11:43 PM

I'm not going to worry either, but I do know there is something there, I have seen them...
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Posted 08 July 2013 - 12:56 PM

...and I'll continue believing in the wee people. I've seen them - absolutely certain they exist. :)
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Posted 14 July 2013 - 07:03 AM

groovy :D
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Posted 24 April 2014 - 12:22 AM

Been to some. Didn't enjoy it as much as I thought I might. Nothin' close to anything "paranormal" was or rather wasn't noted. Noted just a "gloomy" feeling while there and it slowly went away as I distanced myself from where I had just been. Can't recommend it, based on just my visits.


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Posted 17 May 2014 - 09:08 PM

I can think of two haunted concentration camps. The TV series "Sightings" did an investigation at a concentration camp called Manzanar in California and got some strange forms on camera. I don't think its ever had a real investigation. And there's the Auschwitz near Birkenau, Poland which is supposedly haunted by a female Nazi named Irma Grese, but I busted that myth in an on-line blog. Dachau is reportedly haunted by the ghost of Rudolf Hess, but that one is unconfirmed.




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