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[MoonChild]

History-laden hill contains human-made tunnels, researchers say

VISOKO, Bosnia-Herzegovina - Archaeologists began digging Friday for what they hope is an ancient pyramid hidden beneath a mysterious Bosnian hill that has long been the subject of legend.



Read more -> Bosnian ‘pyramid’

[Willow]

I've been following this and know they've found some interesting items....


Bosnian Pyramids Up To Date
For those pyramid enthusiasts that would like to follow the excavation *there are great pics on this site*

Official Web Page of the Archaeological Park

[MoonChild]

good links

[Adramelech]

can you tell me more about the legend of the pyramids.
im going to visit it if posible, becouse im from croatia and bosnia is nex to it. and i have some family there.
like to know more before i go there. thanks

[MoonChild]

I am not sure of the legend, Adramelech, but hat is intresting is the very existence of those pyramids. If you can take time through the links that Willow provided, you can see that what were considered as hills all these years were three pyramids and they have interconnecting tunnels. Perhaps you should visit and find out more, but the excavation is still going on!

[Justa]

Those pictures bring back a lot of memories. There is a lot of history in that area, and a lot of hills with tunnels under them from when Tito was in charge. I'm surprised that they have just found these ones now, with all of the tunneling that was done. I guess it's a good thing that they didn't find them until now though, otherwise it would be another piece of history destroyed by a war.

[Willow]

Justa, you've been there...do tell


Adramelech, if you cant find what your looking for in the links i've provided then try this one Bosnian Pyramids Wikipedia and do let us know of your trip

[petunia4998]

I firmly believe that all the pyramids found all over the world have an Atlantean origin.

[Vampchick21]

Well, either that or the simple logic that a building with a wide flat base and a point of some kind at the top made the most solid kind of building during a particular era.

When I had first read about this particular discovery, I had honestly wondered how it had stood there for so long with no one knowing about it. WEll, now that I've been doing some reading, I kinda understand....time and nature ended up making it look like a hill and until the archeologists rediscovered it, all that remained of the knowledge about it was legends in a region often overlooked by scholars unless it has to do with the undead.

[Vampchick21]

Additional info.......

Seems to me after doing a bit more reading that the man in charge is noted for not being the most professional nature. First off, he claims that the Bosnian Pyramid was built after the Mexican and South American ones....by the same people...and while there is always the possibility of evidence down the road indicating something along those lines, frankly I think it's a bit out there.

And with his dating of the structures to 12,000 years ago....well.....

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Boston University's Curtis Runnels, an expert in prehistoric Greece and the Balkans states that, "Between 27,000 and 12,000 years ago, the Balkans were locked in the last Glacial maximum, a period of very cold and dry climate with glaciers in some of the mountain ranges. The only occupants were Upper Paleolithic hunters and gatherers who left behind open-air camp sites and traces of occupation in caves. These remains consist of simple stone tools, hearths, and remains of animals and plants that were consumed for food. These people did not have the tools or skills to engage in the construction of monumental architecture."

(http://en.wikipedia....Bosnian_pyramid)


From my point of view, while there is indeed a series of pyramid structures there, buddy went in with pre-conceived notions and is fitting square pegs into round holes. I would sincerely hope that someone with real credientials takes over before he damages the site beyond all hope of real research.

[Willow]

Semir (Sam) Osmanagic is causing alot of ruckus and damage in his "quest", some online petitions were posted pleading to get him to stop...

Archaeology

[Vampchick21]

Thanks for finding that article! I missed it the last few times I was at that site (one of my fave I might add.....lol).

I'm really shuddering now, this guy is NOT a professional, trained archeologist, and it certaintly looks as if genuine sites are about to be lost forever, which makes my soul shudder with horror. Eastern Europe has a rich and rarely published history, why on earth do we need these bizarre and unfounded theories to muddy the waters and why is the Bosnian government allowing the verifiable history of their nation be swept over/aside/destroyed?

Oh, and I didn't sign the petition linked in the article, as I really don't agree with the other things they were protesting.

Edited by Vampchick21, 11 May 2006 - 08:41 PM.

[Willow]

Thanks for bringing this guy up Vamp, I was so excited about the pyramids that something this major must of slipped past me brain*plus the fact I havent gotten but a few hours sleep this week* More than anything I find it scary that they'll let anybody do major evacuations it seems *grabs spoon and passport* anyone wanna go to Egypt with me

I also didnt realize all the other causes that were listed in the petition till after I posted this...didnt sign it either.

[Vampchick21]

lol....Egypt Archeology is handled by one Dr. Zahi Hawass....who is one very smart dude. Unless you have the credientials to back you up, you ain't diggin in Egypt lemme tell ya.

But yea, I fully agree, there are still spots in this world it seems where they'll let anyone dig, and that's just wrong. Archeology is a science and an art, and it's painstaking, long hard dirty work with little to no real reward in the material sense. The important thing is that it reveals to us our real history, through even the tiniest of artifacts. And to this day I wish I had gone to school for that. I might actually do it one day......

[Justa]

Willow, on May 11 2006, 09:52 PM, said:

*grabs spoon and passport* anyone wanna go to Egypt with me

I love your sense of humor. You should know with all of the studying that you've done of Egypt and archeology that you need more than just a spoon. You need a brush too


As for Bosnia, I'm tired, but let me see if I can make this post make sense.

Why would they let some unknown, or untrained person do the digging? Although I don't know the person personally, I do know a fair bit about that area. Bosnia is run by the mob. It's not a case of "who is most qualified", it's a case of "who do you know", and "how much money do you have?". It's also a case of, "who can the government control?" If they were to let one of the world's leading archeologists do the dig, they wouldn't be able to control him/her, or what they tell the media.

Why haven't they been discovered before now? They may have been, but Yugoslavia was run by the communists after WWll, with a socialist government put in place to control the area. Technology wasn't what it is today, and it was probably pretty hard to get granted a work visa to go into there and dig for artifacts. Add to that the fact that Tito had many tunnels dug throughout a lot of the hills and mountains, and I'm sure that he wouldn't want somebody to "stumble" across something that they shouldn't.

Up to modern time... why nothing was done until recently. Umm, the main reason that I can think of is the war. There's not a lot of archeologists willing to go and dig up the countryside in the middle of a war. Add to that the fact that the warring nation would not want people who were from outside agencies coming to their country to dig (the word "spy" comes to mind). Imagine an archeological team trying to uncover something in Iraq as the troops were storming across the land. Oh, and of course the area is riddled with minefields that aren't marked nor mapped. While I was serving there, we were trained that you don't step off of the pavement onto the grass, or you could lose your life. It took months after coming home before a lot of people could even walk on the grass while going for strolls, and even something that we take for granted like mowing the lawn, was a chore, because you had to walk on the grass to do it.

The area is quite mountainous and hilly, and the roads are not the best. Travel is a challenge at the best of times, so how do you pick out the right hill? You need permission from the Govt, (along with some money), you need technology to point you in the right direction, you need to make sure that the area is safe, and you need to keep the locals happy.

Do you know that if you happen to kill a chicken or a goat while there, that you are financially responsible for not only that animal, but for the generations of animals that it would have given birth to?

The country has a bad reputation from the war and the atrocities that happened. They are trying to recover, so the fact that they have some historical sites is positive media, and can help them on the road to looking more "globally involved" It doesn't matter if they have the best archeologist in the world, or somebody whose only experience digging is scooping the litter box every day.