Posted 16 February 2004 - 02:15 PM
So, Gentles, how do you define it? Is it a matter of very powerful residual emotions that kind of permeate the object in question? Is it a deliberate transferrance of life force
at the time of death to an inanimate object, for whatever reason? Whether this is fear/uncertainty over what comes next or just a genuine attachment to the object in life, be it sentimental value or the pleasure it gave. This in itself is kind of interesting, the Romans had a long standing tradition of breathing in the last breath of a family member or loved one*absorbing the soul*Is it a matter of physical environment??
What do you think?
Posted 17 February 2004 - 08:33 AM
Posted 17 February 2004 - 12:39 PM
it CAN happen that the spirit is attached to an object at the time of death, but more often than not, a part of the spirit - "energy" if you will, gets impressed upon a particular object and it becomes inherently yours this way.
this kind of thing is something i get all the time in resale shops or antique stores... even in salvage yards. some objects just carry energy from the original owner or a past owner, and it happens in varying degrees.
you'll remember the stories about my sewing machine, the tub in my parents' house, and a number of other objects in my posession.
Posted 18 February 2004 - 07:24 AM
Personally, I think its the residual emotion from the previous owner, LMac and Owlie, those were outstandingly good examples and Owlie-I confess, as I was typing I was thinking of your sewing machine and hoping you'd respond, my friend :-* LMac, I was also thinking of an example of a child's toy.
A family goes to an estate sale and picks up a particularly appealing teddy bear for their 6 year old son. Unbeknownst to them, the previous family quarrelled constantly, loud and
full of fury, their own son*age 5*was unusually traumatized and would hide in his closet, curled in a foetal position, clutching the bear and terrified as Mum and Da went at it like a pair of T-Rexes and sure they'd get rid of him-its not uncommon for small children to internalize blame in such
circumstances-Lets presume that there's a tiff, a quarrel over something minor, a higher than normal charge or hubby wanting to buy a FLAIR infrared system, little Tommy, who's normally a happy and carefree lad, bolts to the closet, dragging Rollo the bear and starts rocking, clutching the bear...curiouser and curiouser
Posted 19 February 2004 - 06:21 PM
Posted 19 February 2004 - 07:57 PM
I think that's why people have wills, you leave stuff to people you really like or as kind of an ironic p*&s off message to someone you don't like...you know, the money clip
or piggy bank to the person who always borrows money but never bothers to pay you back ;D WOW...always saw myself as being too mean to die, but that's a good idea.
Anyway, Rattie, I agree about the energy, whether its an emotion or part of the lifeforce but it is there
Posted 20 February 2004 - 01:16 AM
Posted 20 February 2004 - 05:20 AM
My own personal childhood experience certainly made it seem that way! Gut instinct says no, but I question that instinct. I my instance, why the heck would a spirit or person be attached to a picture, and then only present themselves to one person?
I think Whisper commented on that reason before in some other thread awhile ago. Maybe my subconscious just got the attention of that one person. ???
Posted 20 February 2004 - 05:10 PM
Interesting theory and I can actually see that in a few given circumstances, this may get a little too esoteric, so be warned, uncertainty at time of death-what's going to happen/where am I going/is there a god or the fact that the person's just stubborn. The other possibility is fear of Judgment/Reckoning
Hey, Ankthra, through our posted discussions which I've enjoyed immensely, I've gathered that your sensitive or strongly latently aware of such energies. My own theory is that they recognize this ability and attempt to make contact. Its a bit of a fallacy, of course, the ability to perceive does not always include the ability to aid, but we try
Posted 23 February 2004 - 10:59 AM
My own theory is that they recognize this ability and attempt to make contact. Its a bit of a fallacy, of course, the ability to perceive does not always include the ability to aid, but we try
i think i agree with this - i've only run across two objects to which more or less "sentient" energies were attached... both of these objects have been discussed at length here at gv, so i'll not repeat.
more often than not, most objects with "attached energy" are just that - i can go into a resale shop or the goodwill or an antique store and sense that something was a dearly held object, a favorite piece of jewelry, a part of a painful memory, something with no significance at all. this is far more common than "haunted" objects or very emotionally "charged" objects that are attached to a wandering spirit.
but, of course, this is just personal experience gleaned from years of window shopping and "reading" ojbects for sale.
Posted 23 February 2004 - 12:29 PM
I think the sewing machine is terribly cool, the original owner just wanted a like minded person, an artist, a warm and kindly person :-* Let me know if this is embarrassing you, Owlie
Posted 23 February 2004 - 01:15 PM
yeah, the sewing machine was one of those things where i think the original owner wanted to sew, but just didn't have the skill to produce the work she wanted. in my hands, it's like she's getting the satisfaction she always wanted to have by using it.
i don't know that helping someone backward through an object could happen that often; in the case of the tub, the spirit manifested and allowed me to help her... in the case of an "angry" pocketwatch or necklace... well, i think it would depend.
the large jewel that my family has that came from post-bombing hiroshima is a case that i feel is a bit different, though. i always feel that if i take the jewel back and throw it into the shinto shrine at hiroshima, the spirit that "owns" it will be satisfied and happy.
that's another story, tho.
Posted 23 February 2004 - 03:19 PM
for several generations*prior to WWII*or was it a post war purchase?
Posted 23 February 2004 - 03:29 PM
THAT is a very intriguing possibility, Owlie! Is it an heirloom piece that had been in Dr. Owl's<Dr Rooster?>family
for several generations*prior to WWII*or was it a post war purchase?
oh gosh, i only wish it were so!
i'm going to have to say no... this was from MY side of the family. my dad's step-dad was in the clean-up crew that went in to raze the ruins of hiroshima after the bomb was dropped. dad's step-da was a bit of a meanie. more than just a bit - but that's another story entirely.
dad'st step-da lifted this giant square cut stone from the rubble - we've had it appraised and it's worth quite a lot (i can't remember exactly what it is, but it is enormous). i get a very scary feeling every time i touch it - it's like touching terror.
my dad (jokingly) suggested that i make it into a necklace for my wedding (this was several years ago) and i protested, citing the feeling that i got from it. i've had dreams about the owner - since i'm so far from it now, i don't dream about it at all, but i do get the feeling that it wants to be returned to japan.
i may be nuts, here, but that's the best thing i can think to do with it. give it a resting place.
Posted 24 February 2004 - 06:37 AM
I'm not endorsing what your Da's step did, but it wasn't uncommon to take souvenirs as spoils of war without realizing they were literally inviting things back with them, its still not right of course
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