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Can we talk intelligently about intelligent design
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Posted 19 November 2005 - 07:38 PM
God? Aliens? Or what?
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Posted 19 November 2005 - 09:21 PM
Sure.
I'll start.
I think the evidence all around us points to a Designer. I believe that designer, ultimately, to be God. Sure, I suppose you could say Aliens did it, but I would respond, "but who made the aliens?"
I think the very complexity of our bodies, minds and environments suggests a system too complicated and complete to be the work of mere accidents and random chance.
Okay. I'll take the blindfold, a drag on my last cigarette and let the firing squad take aim...
I'll start.
I think the evidence all around us points to a Designer. I believe that designer, ultimately, to be God. Sure, I suppose you could say Aliens did it, but I would respond, "but who made the aliens?"
I think the very complexity of our bodies, minds and environments suggests a system too complicated and complete to be the work of mere accidents and random chance.
Okay. I'll take the blindfold, a drag on my last cigarette and let the firing squad take aim...
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Posted 19 November 2005 - 11:54 PM
Thank you very much for your response.
It is an interesting enigma to ponder,
and it was gracious of you to start it off....
All the best to you Randysteu,
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It is an interesting enigma to ponder,
and it was gracious of you to start it off....
All the best to you Randysteu,
Spooks
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Posted 20 November 2005 - 12:43 AM
While I am one of those (apparently evil and misinformed depending on who you are talking to) people that holds to the theory of Evolution, I also am of the opinion that something engineered that evolution. From my point of view that would be a few Gods and Goddesses.
Frankly, I think the two fit together nicely.
Frankly, I think the two fit together nicely.
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Posted 20 November 2005 - 01:03 AM
Vamp, you nefarious creature you.
Actually I think that what you've said has a lot of merit.
Thanks for puttin' in,
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Actually I think that what you've said has a lot of merit.
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Posted 20 November 2005 - 02:01 AM
My belief is that the ultimate power, the sourse, is a universal energy - where it all started. Infact, there are Gods and Goddess that represents various attributes of this energy, which I call "real" God.
Now, life has progressed through evolution, no doubt, but we will have to acknowledge to the fact that there is something that gives and contributes for such an amazing act.
Now, life has progressed through evolution, no doubt, but we will have to acknowledge to the fact that there is something that gives and contributes for such an amazing act.
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Posted 20 November 2005 - 02:06 AM
Always a pleasure to hear from you Moon.
Well said. 
Well said.
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Posted 20 November 2005 - 02:22 AM
Nicely stated, Vamp!
I have no problems meshing religion and science. I take religion to encompass eternal laws, while science explains the laws which we understand. As our understanding increases these seemingly conflicting sides will exist in harmony.
I do not believe that Intelligent Design should be taught in science classes; there's simply no undisputed empirical evidence to back it up.
I have no problems meshing religion and science. I take religion to encompass eternal laws, while science explains the laws which we understand. As our understanding increases these seemingly conflicting sides will exist in harmony.
I do not believe that Intelligent Design should be taught in science classes; there's simply no undisputed empirical evidence to back it up.
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Posted 20 November 2005 - 10:52 AM
Yes, I tend to think they mesh well......
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Posted 20 November 2005 - 01:11 PM
I think intelligent design has a lot of merit, but it boils down to one key question: whose intelligence?
This is a concept that humans cannot grasp; I know I can't, but god had no beginning and has no end and everything came from god.
This is a concept that humans cannot grasp; I know I can't, but god had no beginning and has no end and everything came from god.
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Posted 20 November 2005 - 01:32 PM
petunia4998, on Nov 20 2005, 06:11 PM, said:
This is a concept that humans cannot grasp; I know I can't, but god had no beginning and has no end and everything came from god.
Maybe everything IS God?
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Posted 20 November 2005 - 01:37 PM
Yes, Orbie, Everything is God, but not god as a person, but God as the all encompassing essence of existence.
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Posted 20 November 2005 - 04:14 PM
Yep, as usual, Vamp has put it pretty well...
Though there is also my cynical side saying that, if we were designed like this on purpose, "Intelligent" would not be the word *I* would choose for it!
Though there is also my cynical side saying that, if we were designed like this on purpose, "Intelligent" would not be the word *I* would choose for it!
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Posted 20 November 2005 - 04:32 PM
Yosei, on Nov 20 2005, 09:14 PM, said:
Yep, as usual, Vamp has put it pretty well...
Though there is also my cynical side saying that, if we were designed like this on purpose, "Intelligent" would not be the word *I* would choose for it!
Though there is also my cynical side saying that, if we were designed like this on purpose, "Intelligent" would not be the word *I* would choose for it!
actually, given the purpose and function, the design was perfect. It is what we do with that design that is flawed.
As for education, I really do think it should at least be mentioned. Right now, the religion of Atheism is being taught in school... that it all began from some unknown gas that managed to explode. There's no proof, at all, for that, yet it is taught as fact.
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Posted 20 November 2005 - 04:39 PM
Define Religion V.S. Science please.....
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