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#16 Yosei

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Posted 12 April 2004 - 10:36 AM

My maths teacher is plagued by fairies...

Seriously though, maybe its the kind of books I read but a lot of the time I find it much easier to believe in fairies and boggarts and elves and pixies than in ghosts and spirits.  For one, the explanations as to how they came into this world and what they are in relation to us are much more realistic.  And then there's the wealth of information and the persistance of the same ideas...



Just out of curiosity, what explanations would those be?  The only folkloric explanations I've heard for fairies were written from a Christian point of view and said that they *are* ghosts, virtuous pagans denied heaven but spared hell. (Personally, given the choice, I'd rather spend eternity as a fairy on earth than in the traditional Christian heaven!)
Mind you, I do think they could exist and could have been always non-human( my beliefs are kind of a weird mix of Shinto and modern paganism among other things, and the difference between a Shinto god and what Westerners would call a fairy is minimal in many cases), but I've never heard that outside of modern novels really...
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Posted 12 April 2004 - 10:38 AM

hmmmmmm.. I guess the only thing I can honestly beleive in is the tooth fairy.
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Posted 12 April 2004 - 10:43 AM

have you heard of the invasion myths?  they detail the various supposed invasions into Ireland... I don't have the time to go into them at length right now, but basically there were four.  What many people nowadays think of as fairies are, or were the Tuatha De Danaan, or the children of Dana (a mother goddess) they were originally thought to be gods by those who invaded afterwards, the Milesains, I'm not to clear on this off hand though.  

The point which I should first wish to understand is whether the pious or holy is beloved by the gods because it is holy, or holy because it is beloved of the gods.

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Posted 12 April 2004 - 10:58 AM

have you heard of the invasion myths?  they detail the various supposed invasions into Ireland... I don't have the time to go into them at length right now, but basically there were four.  What many people nowadays think of as fairies are, or were the Tuatha De Danaan, or the children of Dana (a mother goddess) they were originally thought to be gods by those who invaded afterwards, the Milesains, I'm not to clear on this off hand though.  


That sounds a lot like the invasions of Hawai'i Nei.

The original Hawaiians were the Menehune which were killed off by subsequent discoverers.  The Menehune were short in stature, very witty, and excellent craftsmen.  Today, "Menehune" are mythical creatures similar to the Leprochans of Ireland.

I don't remember the order of the later arivals, just that Tahitians were the last.  It was the Tahitians that introduced human sacrifice.

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Posted 12 April 2004 - 11:21 AM

Interesting!  I'm very familiar with the Irish stories, but not at all with the Hawaiians.  I'm going to have to go and take a look at the Hawaiian myths!

I myself believe in most preternatural and supernatural and extraterrestrial beings.  Just not the ones that like to probe us anally :)

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Posted 12 April 2004 - 01:18 PM

I am basically open minded,legends and myths have some truth to them.  I agree with Ahola :)

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Posted 12 April 2004 - 02:11 PM

Irish Invasion Cycle;
1. THe coming of the Partholan into Ireland
2. The coming of the Nemed into Ireland.
3. The coming of the Firbolgs into Ireland
4. the invasion of the Tuatha De Denaan, or people of the God Dana
5. The invasion of the Milesians (sons of miled) from Spain and their conquest of the people of Dana.

Once the Milesians arrive we have the arrival of history.  The ruling families of Ireland were said to descend from the Milesians, The people of Dana were gods, those pre-danaan were "huge phantom-like figures, whihc loom vaguely through the mists of tradition, and have little definate characterisation.  Because nothing was writted down much accounts are many, varied, and conflicting.
Partholan was said to come from the west, and the vast unsailed Atlantic ocean the Irish Fairyland, the land of the living (or at least the happy dead).   PArtholan's father was Sera, which possibly means west.  The country at the time was different, with only three lakes and nine rivers and only one plain
The Partholonians, it is said had to do battle with a strange race, called the Famorians- they were huge, mishapen violent and cruel.  The Partholonians drove them off to the north but eventually died out as a result of pestillance

THe Nemidians came, like the Partholonians, came from the mysterious regions of the dead (though this was later attemped to be altered to fit more christian ideas).  They had to do constant battle with the Famorians, only banished to the north (later legends make these out to be pirates from overseas).  AFter much fighting the Famorians became tyrinical rulers of Ireland, but the Nemidians revolted against them, during which period all but 30 are killed.  They leave Ireland in dispair

Firbolg means men of the bags, it was said that after settling in greece they were forced by the people of that land to carry fertile land up to the rocky hills, which they did by using leather bags.  When they grew weary of this they made thier bags into boats and sailed to Ireland.  Not much happened with this lot.

Tuatha de Denaan literally means the folk of the god whose mother is Dana- Dana also sometimes appears as her daughter Bridid.  Brigid appears all over under various variations of her name.  Dana was the daughter of Dagda, the good god.  She had one son named Ecne meaning knowledge and Poetry.  The Tuatha De Danaan are alone called Gods in all of this invasion business.  They were the powers of Light and Knowledge.  Christian influence reduced them to the rank of fairies, or identified them with fallen angels.  There's a lot here about the interactions between the Tuatha De Denaan and the Firbolgs, but its all very tedious and the Famorians come back in- the problem here being that much of the Irish mythology and many of the Irish Heros are associated with this period of time, and quite a bit of that info is conflicting depending on what sources you use etc.

But anyway, after a while and much questing, the Milasians come in and kick BAD_WORD, but despite them beating the Tuatha De Denaan and booting them out of Ireland there is still a general feeling that it was a good time when they were around, and they kept their exalted status- until christianity came along of course.

Many Fairies are demoted gods, aside fromt the Tuatha De denaan... river gods for example became nixes and sprites, the gods of the home became Brownies and Kobolds.  Just about all of the various creatures in folklore that have slightly dubious characters were at one point Gods, or thought as such.

Yes, many people say that Fairies are the Dead, or Fallen Angels, but the problem is that when Christianity came along, many of the old gods were turned into fallen angels and the Gods were already associated with the dead becuase that's where it was believed they came from.  Celtic beliefs have Death and the underworld down as a good thing, it was the nice place to be, perhaps because life was so hard.  So their gods were obviously going to have come from death.

The point which I should first wish to understand is whether the pious or holy is beloved by the gods because it is holy, or holy because it is beloved of the gods.

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Posted 12 April 2004 - 02:18 PM

Ah, I see.  I had heard those legends but just assumed they all referred to humans in so far as anything had happened at all.  And yeah, it makes sense connecting gods and the land of the dead anyway since if you believe in any life after death it must be disincarnate, and usually we think of gods as disincarnate...
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Posted 12 April 2004 - 02:24 PM

only the celtic gods always seem so incarnate, that's the thing with the celtic mythologies, everthing becomes so literal!

Everything is true, everything exixts, and the earth is only a little dust underneath our feet

The point which I should first wish to understand is whether the pious or holy is beloved by the gods because it is holy, or holy because it is beloved of the gods.

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Posted 13 April 2004 - 08:39 PM

I believe in alot of things, many I don't think may be on this plane of existance but they had to come from somewhere...who knows!

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Posted 14 April 2004 - 06:52 PM

I believe in ghosts, and angels, and extra terrestrials.
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Posted 17 April 2004 - 05:42 AM

I only believe in ghosts! I never have and never will believe in ufo's unless one lands right in my yard, and aliens come out of it! lol  :D The tapes of supposed ufo's havent yet convinced me, and i dont think they ever will!

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Posted 18 April 2004 - 05:44 PM

I believe in almost everthing, (Hello, I thought that the whole blair witch thing was real, And still do.....LMAO), I love EVERYTHING paranormal and the main reason why I got hooked with ghosts id just to prove to myself that they exsist and what not, LOL my mum thinks I get paranoid and is a firm believer in all things paranormal (Her Father and her grand-Father where sensatives) so I guess it was pasted down, Most of my family on my mums side see things but only a few of them admit to it.
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Posted 24 April 2004 - 05:06 PM

I beleive in spirits,ufos. How can we be the only planet with life in this infinite universe? I would like there to be  life after death.If there is a god is there the devil? if there is a god who made him?
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Posted 25 April 2004 - 10:04 AM

Just because there are other planets with life on out their in the infinite universe doesn't mean they are interested in us...

The point which I should first wish to understand is whether the pious or holy is beloved by the gods because it is holy, or holy because it is beloved of the gods.

Sonnet XCIVBut if that flower with base infection meet,The basest weed outbraves his dignity:For sweetest things turn sourest by their deeds;Lilies that fester smell far worse than weeds




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