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#76 Opal

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Posted 18 August 2006 - 05:59 PM

Yes, but satan was expelled so in the eyes of God Satan is not worthy of anything in the eyes of the creator nor does he mirror God's image. So in inesense no we don't value the two the same. (((WINK)))

Everything comes from god, even Satan comes from god, so worshipping satan is worshipping god. And that's no lie!! lol


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Posted 18 August 2006 - 10:00 PM

first of all, i appreciate the welcome!!! i veiw satanism as a strong open minded religion. it is the truth, and all others are wrong. i see things i would rather not. i am sorry if i offended any of you in my posts.

anyway, satanism is the truth. Father Satan needs to be honored by all, his will is the right will. there are no evil satanists, we do no wrong unless wrong is done unto us, we hurt no one unless they hurt us. i am one who sees, i see thing in dreams, i can also see auras and spirits, this is all a gift from the Father.


I am open minded to all religions and have done my own studies of many. can you exsplain when you say 'i veiw satanism as a strong open minded religion. it is the truth, and all others are wrong' how it can be open minded if all others are wrong? that confused :) me

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Posted 19 August 2006 - 07:40 PM


first of all, i appreciate the welcome!!! i veiw satanism as a strong open minded religion. it is the truth, and all others are wrong. i see things i would rather not. i am sorry if i offended any of you in my posts.

anyway, satanism is the truth. Father Satan needs to be honored by all, his will is the right will. there are no evil satanists, we do no wrong unless wrong is done unto us, we hurt no one unless they hurt us. i am one who sees, i see thing in dreams, i can also see auras and spirits, this is all a gift from the Father.


I am open minded to all religions and have done my own studies of many. can you exsplain when you say 'i veiw satanism as a strong open minded religion. it is the truth, and all others are wrong' how it can be open minded if all others are wrong? that confused :D me

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Hey Ciries :D. Turns out, Father Satan Prevails was just a troll, a username created just to stir up trouble, but it was kind of funny, because as far as I know, instead of creating trouble, he created a large, fascinating discussion. :D FSP has been banned I believe. Recently the topic has shifted to LaVeyen Satanism, if you would like to discuss as well.

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Posted 19 August 2006 - 07:57 PM

Wait, sorry nevermind :D Topic shifted on me when I wasnt lookin'.

In response to Becca, I am an atheist, so I will try to answer my thoughts as best as I can from my own beliefs and viewpoints.

When I was younger, and being taught that God was responsible for EVERYTHING that happened in the universe for everyone, and that God was "better" than Lucifer, I just took it in a way that made me feel like if anything bad happened to you, it was God's doing because he was responsible for everything and everyone, and that Lucifer had no control over anything or anyone. So, really, it felt like all individuality, and free will was vaporized, because it seemed like no matter what you do, God was going to make this and that happen to you, no matter how much effort was put into any other idea. And using these teachings, if you do something bad, you are taught not to take the blame, but to put it on God because he "made you do it".

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Posted 25 January 2007 - 01:33 AM

Everything comes from god, even Satan comes from god, so worshipping satan is worshipping god. And that's no lie!! lol

that's true, god created satan and lucifer. and god grants freewill over all his creation. i've heard horrid things and seemingly good things also about satanists, I wonder if pure love fore everyone and everything is one of there vertues?

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Posted 25 January 2007 - 02:08 AM

is anyone here a satanist? or a demonologist?


Hello FSP/ Welcome to the Village
My name is Saint (not as in the traditional biblical term). I am not a satanist nor do I have any religious denomination. I have studied many different faiths and beliefs over the years including satanism.
Demonology by definition is the study of the history of demons and their origins, and their influence and power over mankind. A demonologist usually (not always) studies from a religious point such as a priest would study this to have a better understanding of possession as spiritual, versus science who would claim it
is psychological or genetic. I also have studied occults and Satanic worship. (Not as a practice), but I find it
fascinating the A-Z difference in belief systems through out the world. SO SO many beliefs out there.
I would like to know why you have chosen this faith or belief system? What you hope to get from this practice? Was this something you found on your own? Did others influence your decision to following as a part of a cult? Was this always your faith? Would love to hear your views on the above. Respectfully of course.

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looks like i'm doing the same thing you are.I call my self the searcher because for thirty years I have been searching for understanding all religions and belief systems including demonology and satanisim. I don't believe or practice everything I read hear or see but try to understand all I can and It's curiosity.

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Posted 25 January 2007 - 02:18 AM

The word Lucifer is related to the Latin word for Light. Lucifer was a "Morning Star" - probably the eldest of God's children save Jesus. Lucifer held a lot of sway among his younger brothers and sisters - that's how he convinced a third of the host of heaven to follow him in that great war described in Daniel and Revelation.

Since his fall, Lucifer has been known as Satan (adversary or enemy). This term can also be used in a generic manner (Jesus once called Peter satan when Peter suggested that Jesus use his power to escape and avoid the cross).

I have come across several sources that say that lucifer and satan are the same too but also that they are two different entities but, how can one be 100 percent sure of either?

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Posted 25 January 2007 - 11:52 AM

The word Lucifer is related to the Latin word for Light. Lucifer was a "Morning Star" - probably the eldest of God's children save Jesus. Lucifer held a lot of sway among his younger brothers and sisters - that's how he convinced a third of the host of heaven to follow him in that great war described in Daniel and Revelation.

Since his fall, Lucifer has been known as Satan (adversary or enemy). This term can also be used in a generic manner (Jesus once called Peter satan when Peter suggested that Jesus use his power to escape and avoid the cross).

I have come across several sources that say that lucifer and satan are the same too but also that they are two different entities but, how can one be 100 percent sure of either?

To quote from Wikipedia:

The nominative satan (meaning "adversary" or "accuser"), and the Arabic إبليس (shaitan), derive from a Northwest Semitic root śṭn, meaning "to be hostile", "to accuse"

In the New Testament, Satan is a name that is thought to refer to a supernatural entity who appears in several passages and possesses demonic god-like qualities. It is found in passages alongside Diabolos or devil more than thirty times to refer to the same person or thing as Satan.

The most common English synonym for Satan, "the Devil", entered Modern English from Middle English devel, from Old English dēofol, of ultimately Proto-Germanic origin. The English word "diabolical" comes from the Latin diabolus, from Late Greek diabolos, from Greek, "slanderer", from diaballein, "to slander" : dia-, dia- + ballein, "to hurl". In Greek, the term diabolos (Διάβολος, "slanderer"), carries more negative connotations than the Hebrew ha-satan (שָׂטָן, "accuser", "obstructer", "adversary") which possesses no demonic qualities in the Torah writings and is believed to be by many a great and glorious Angel who was created on the sixth day of creation.

Ha-satan is called Baal Davar by Chasidic Jews of the eighteenth century so this could also be taken as a name for Satan. Lucifer is sometimes used in Christian theology to refer to Satan, from a reference to Isaiah 14:12-14. Though other Christians suggest that in context it referred to none other than the King of Babylon himself, having figuratively fallen from heaven and ate grass like an ox.

In Jewish theology, this figure (Helel in Hebrew) has nothing to do with Satan. It is generally agreed among Rabbinical sources that Isaiah was in fact referring to King Nebuchednezzar. Beelzebub (meaning "Lord of Flies") is actually the name of a Philistine god, but is also used in the New Testament as a synonym for Satan. A corrupted version, "Belzeboub," is used in the The Divine Comedy.

"The dragon" and "the old serpent" in the Book of Revelation 12:9, 20:2 have also been identified with Satan, as have "the prince of this world" in the Book of John 12:31, 14:30; "the prince of the power of the air" also called Meririm, and "the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience" in the Book of Ephesians 2:2; and "the god of this world" in 2 Corinthians 4:4.

Satan and the Angel of death and destruction, "Abaddon," are sometimes claimed to be identical. This is observed in John Bunyan's, Pilgrim's Progress. He is also equated with "Ahriman," the Persian "Prince of Evil". The angel "Leviathan" is described as "that crooked serpent," which is also used to describe Satan in Revelation 12:9. "Sar ha Olam," a possible name for Metatron, is described by Michael, Jehoel, and, St. Paul, as Satan.


Also check out articles in the Catholic Encyclopedia and Jewish Encyclopedia.

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 05:03 PM

"The dragon" and "the old serpent" in the Book of Revelation 12:9, 20:2 have also been identified with Satan, as have "the prince of this world" in the Book of John 12:31, 14:30; "the prince of the power of the air" also called Meririm, and "the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience" in the Book of Ephesians 2:2; and "the god of this world" in 2 Corinthians 4:4.


I believe that the oldest known symbol used for Satan dates from Babylon. It is a crowned serpent with the head of a lion. According to some "gnostic" texts God is male light and energy, and also had a wife. The two bore offspring and for some undefined reason the female version of god hid her child "Lucifer" away in a cloud so God would not see him and be displeased with her. Lucifer, being lonely and hidden, developed a "god" complex and created the physical world. This action is what angered God, because he robbed his people "mankind" of the collective consciousness that people experience in near death situations, that all knowing powerful ability to be anywhere all at once. This version is so full of holes I'm not even gonna go into it.

This one is more interesting...

In some other versions of the gnostic texts God made man in his own image (Adam) and brought him from the earth into the heavens to show him to the angels that god had created to serve him. Apparently god said, "Here is Adam who I have made in my own image. Bow to him and recognize the divine spark of your god." Lucifer, obviously perturbed, took issue with the fact that the angels (who had served god faithfully for eons) were being placed below this newcomer and refused to bow. His words inspired 1/3 or 1/2 (depending on the text) of the angels to agree, and not bow to Adam. This rift in ideology is what caused the angels to become "fallen angels", and is the cause of why Lucifer tempted Eve in the garden of eden (for revenge since Adam caused him to be thrown from heaven). The rest of the fallen angels were ordered to remain on earth for eternity and guard humanity, which some did; however, some of them fell in love with the beauty of the human females and took them as wives. The offspring of these unholy unions were the beasts of fantasy and folklore (giants, chimera, harpies, minotaurs, etc...). God became angry and sent the flood that wiped them all out.

This is one of the stories of man according to gnostic christianity.

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Posted 06 March 2010 - 12:02 AM

first of all, i appreciate the welcome!!! i veiw satanism as a strong open minded religion. it is the truth, and all others are wrong. i see things i would rather not. i am sorry if i offended any of you in my posts.

anyway, satanism is the truth. Father Satan needs to be honored by all, his will is the right will. there are no evil satanists, we do no wrong unless wrong is done unto us, we hurt no one unless they hurt us. i am one who sees, i see thing in dreams, i can also see auras and spirits, this is all a gift from the Father.


An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. As for you putting down everyone else but those of your beliefs I welcome the chance to stand up for myself you presented me. Much thanks friend.

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 12:23 PM

Do you consider your Father Satan to be the same being as the Satan which Jews and Christians are warned about, or a different entity which by coincidence has the same name?

i consider it the same one.


Strange, i once looked deep into Satanism and it is NOTHING to do with Satan as in the Devil.




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