Religion Vs Medicine
Posted 03 July 2004 - 12:18 PM
It's not about God's will, it's about people's choices, the very essence of life.
Posted 03 July 2004 - 12:35 PM
I once received a lot of flak by stating that God loved Hitler every bit as much as he loves me and you, but it's true. God's love is unconditional.
Posted 03 July 2004 - 12:38 PM
do you honestly believe that? That we know more than God?
Posted 04 July 2004 - 01:50 AM
God gave us the power to choose to make good use of it realize our Karmic Debts and get the hell out of the cycle of Birth and Death! And there is nothing like God's Will - it is only the Karmic bondages we have created by ourselves!
Posted 04 July 2004 - 06:50 AM
Petunia, you make a good point about believing our will superceeds that of God, but you make that point on the basis that we are all Christian, and believe in God in that way. I'm pagan and happen to believe that God is simply a collection of the spirit of every thing that ever lived, is living, or will live. Meaning, in my own way, I am God myself. So yes... our choices DO supercede the will of God. Maybe supercede isn't the right word. I should say that I don't believe there IS a will of God. There is only our will. But, it makes for a great debate! lol.
Just like we had the whole religion vs. state thread, this kind of poses the same questions. Because, at what point does anyone have the right to say the beliefs of others should be monitored and changed by any facility outside of their religious one? I see this, logically, but there's still the emotional side of me that says "But what about those kids that can't chose for themselves". Then again, I also don't believe in raising your children in any particular religion, so it's then understandable why I would hold this stance.
Excellent points made by everyone, and this is a great thread.
Posted 04 July 2004 - 08:45 AM
Petunia, if you think that I am trying to force my beliefs on you by bringing up a topic that I am sure will stimulate conversation, possible debates, and differing viewpoints then I apologize. All I am asking is what are the different view points of the different religions. I am fairly certain I haven’t jumped on a proverbial soapbox and started preaching. I believe you learn the most by listening to those who know, and actually practice the various religions. In my examples I have simply pointed out what I have been lead to believe are facts.
If you want my honest opinion, I think it is BS that people can stand by and watch a child die and pray for intervention from the almighty. However, I still would not force my opinion on others. In my mind it is wrong, and to be blunt, pretty archaic thought processes. Agree or disagree with me, I don’t really care. The same as I am sure you don’t care if I agree or disagree with you. Afterall, who am I to say that “God’s Will” is wrong and I am right.
Speaking of God’s Will, I have heard it said that God has given us the ability to choose. In doing so, yes, our thoughts supercede his will. The same as if you have children, you can try to guide them in what you consider the correct direction, but ultimately it is their choice, not yours.
Sorry, we are getting a little off topic here. I know we have started focusing on the aspect of parents making decisions for their children, but there are also a lot of adults who make that same decision for themself. I would still like to hear some of the other religions and how they interpret faith healing vs medicine.
Posted 04 July 2004 - 11:00 AM
Who said that we know more than God? All I said was that ultimately, life boils down to choice, and nothing else.
Posted 04 July 2004 - 11:08 AM
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Posted 05 July 2004 - 11:19 AM
Posted 05 July 2004 - 11:39 AM
Sorry, no offence, but that's hard to swallow.
Krafted with luv
Posted 05 July 2004 - 03:14 PM
Posted 05 July 2004 - 06:23 PM
It's easy for us to sit on this side of the fence and call down those who make the decisions to reject medical assistance in the hope for help from a higher entity. After all, we judge them by our values.
You hit the nail on the head Bardo. In order to belong to one of these religions, you have to be willing to follow blindly for lack of a better word. If not, you run the risk of being removed from the religious order, or worse, belief that you will be punished in the afterlife. I am sure that it is not easy for any parent to sit by and watch their child suffer, and hope above all hope that they will recover. Let's face it, even those of us who accept medicine still pray that the medicine will help our loved ones get better. And we don't pray to the pill bottle, the manufacturer, the pharmacist, or the doctor... we pray to God.
But it's not just the children. Adults make these conscientious decisions for themselves too. With all of the education and statistics that prove that medicine helps, they still refuse it and pray that their God will heal them.
Posted 06 July 2004 - 05:22 AM
I firmly believe that no matter your faith, one must make use of the medical technology avaliable to them in the case of serious illness. Example, I never take anything for a common cold, since I know it will run through my system in a week, but if I had contracted SARS last year, yer darn right I'd beline it for the hospital, even though they were struggling with controling and treating the disease themselves.
And something I always wondered with regards to the Christian faiths that espouse faith and prayer over medicine and doctors. God helps those that help themselves. So isn't turning away from the medical profession altogether and turning to simply prayer NOT helping oneself?
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Posted 06 July 2004 - 06:02 AM
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