Posted 13 May 2004 - 04:12 PM
And this coming from somebody who claims no religion. Maybe there is hope out there.
Posted 13 May 2004 - 04:44 PM
Posted 13 May 2004 - 05:31 PM
As I said before, I am fascinated by Icons of any religion appear to weep, or drink milk, or bleed, or any other manifestation of that type. I ask my questions honestly and with respect...because I truely want to know why, how, etc.
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Posted 13 May 2004 - 05:38 PM
i'm really sorry if i insulted you by being sarcastic in my last post. like yosei said, i connect bloody imagery with catholicism because that's how i've been raised. i try to find humor in non humorour sitution because that's just what i do. i honestly did not mean any disrespect, as i do respect others faiths. almost everyone in my family is catholic and i'd sincerly rather not insult their faith and risk grounding. i hope you accept my apology.
can we go back to talking about weeping religious icons now? i'd like to hear more about the milk tears.
Posted 13 May 2004 - 05:44 PM
Posted 13 May 2004 - 05:49 PM
For all of you who were raised 'Catholic' and feel you have the right to pull punches, fine. But now I'm going to start pulling punches with all of you Wiccans and Pagans and I just know that you will ALL have a COW!!
SHE CAN'T DO THAT!! She's not being open minded! NO, the simple fact of the matter is it's just not the 'cool' thing to be Catholic. It's 'cool' to be Wiccan tho. It's cool to prance around with a coven and make spells out in the woods on a full moon! Now, THAT'S NEAT and make no mistake, me and every one else around are EXPECTED to respect your faith.
Respect mine and I'll respect yours, but as for now I haven't seen very much.
1) I was indeed raised Catholic, but I do not now nor have I ever "pulled punches" As I said, I was taught much better than that. I went to the Papal Mass during the World Youth event held here in Toronto in 2002 because I still have a great deal of respect for the Throne of Peter even though I no longer practice Catholism nor consider myself a Christian. I also have respect for the man currently sitting on that very throne. And by the way, it was a very moving experience, to be surrounded by faithful Catholic youths from all over the world. And they all were singing joyous hymns on the streetcars while they were here in this city. That puts a smile on the face of anyone after a hard day's work.
2) I did not convert to Paganism because it was 'cool'. I converted because it filled a deep void in my soul that the faith of my family did not, even though I still respect that faith. I have questions about it, yes, I will ask them. But I do so with honest desire to learn the answer.
3) I do not prance around with a coven during a full moon making spells in the woods. I work mostly in my house because I live in a major city and try desparately to keep the cats out of the way.
4) I respect the Catholic Faith. I respect all but the most bile spewing forms of Christianity, and in those cases, its the practicioner that I have no respect for. I respect the Jewish Faith. I respect the Muslim faith, but have ZERO respect for the zealots there, same as the Christian zealots. I respect Buddists of all the various paths, I respect Hindus, I respect African Bush Men. And so on and so forth.
5) One's faith should never be 'cool'. If that is the reason someone is practicing ANY particular faith, they have some serious soul searching to do.
Sorry Hawker, but that post hurt me and angered me as much as the post or posts that you are referring to hurt and angered you.
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Posted 13 May 2004 - 05:53 PM
well for starters it gets your attention if she is trying to do that and show who devestated she is at the state of the world blood would be nearly logical
Well, that would be a good explaination...but I still must wonder, if these particular types of manifestations of the divine are meant to inspire the witnesses and others, meant to comfort, meant to let them know that they are heard, then blood doesn't seem to do that for me. But that's just me really...I'd find more awe and comfort in say....an Icon that has a spring suddenly gush forth out of nowhere from underneath it...or...that would visbly heal someone that touched it....
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Posted 13 May 2004 - 06:07 PM
I'll get back to you on that
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Posted 13 May 2004 - 07:32 PM
I'm not sure why Mary would cry tears of blood, but I think it goes back to what I typed before.
I didn't lose my mind - I have it backed up on a disk ... somewhere
Posted 14 May 2004 - 02:53 AM
this one has a number of links and some related info for your new hobby
Posted 14 May 2004 - 04:25 AM
The crying blood thing I can understand, as blood is seen as life in almost every major tradition in the world today. To see a statue crying blood signifies to me that the spirit is "alive" so to speak. Now... crying milk? I don't get that.
Posted 14 May 2004 - 05:03 AM
One question to the former Catholics I have is this, have you spent as much energy and time as you have with your new found faith and learned about the 'old' faith? CCD failed us. It failed me. But I have grown up and realized it's up to me to really teach myself about my faith, and before I rejected it I educated myself about it which brought about a new respect.
I find Wicca fascinating. Always have. I just threw out that verbal jab with no emotion on my part. It was just to get across the point I have found lacking around here: if you're going to jab at any other faith then be ready to take it about yours. I have always been respectful and interested in Wiccan and Paganism but am tired of the one sidedness. It's just like being a Catholic among a bunch of Southern Baptists.
Go back and read different posts. There some out and out blantant prejudice against it. But then some of you guys are newbies and haven't seen some of the older posts. Masq, remember Rockhauler's rant?
Aloha said it beautifully. Catholicism is blood based. Christ was beaten and died a cruel death. It was bloody. But that's not what I think was intended by the latest quip.
Posted 14 May 2004 - 05:05 AM
Posted 14 May 2004 - 05:38 AM
Yes, I did take a good long look at Catholism, along with many other faiths. Where I am today is the result of 17 years of hard work, and I am very happy where I am. I have no problem with Christianity or Catholism. It just doesn't 'speak' to me on a spiritual level the way my Celtic based Pagan faith does. That simple.
I don't care for my faith being considered
'cool'. Faith and religion should NEVER EVER be 'cool'. Your spiritual development is not a fad.
Yes, I know about there being both water and wine at the alter. Yes, I know how the modern day Mass developed. I am not ignorant about the religion of my childhood. I went to Catholic school and as anyone who attended it knows, part of the ciriculum is the study of the religion. Then in order to be able to attend Public High School, I was made to take a two part course in religion by my father. To this day I will pick up a book on the history of Christianity and of Catholism because the development is most fascinating.
Again, I have not now, nor have I ever, taken a pot shot against Catholism or any other religion. Period.
As for Pagan/Wiccan humour, here you go.
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