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#1 amymyers1973

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Posted 08 March 2008 - 12:23 AM

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There's a lot of talk on the boards about doing spirit rescue / release for earthbound souls, especially groups of souls from natural disasters, wars, and catastrophes, in particular 9/11.

This reminded me of a prayer meeting held at our local Unitarian Universalist fellowship on the day of the attack. I'm not the prayer group type of person, but attended to be with other people because at the time I lived alone. This was westcentral Illinois, far removed from the epicenter of disaster, but we all cared about what was going on and needed to reach out. The meeting was called on short notice so the group was small, about 10 people, mostly women. We talked openly about any friends and family who were directly affected by the attack and what we could do to reach out to the Islamic center and students on campus.

So there was a new geeky guy from the fellowship at the meeting. From previous times talking with him, I knew he was extremely intelligent, if not a bit arrogant, and pretty much knew everything about religion, the occult, magic, energy healing (he was a Reiki practitioner), psychic phenomena, governement experiments, and conspiracy theories, pretty much everything one would hear on an Art Bell program. Know the type? (I apologize for stereotyping people.) In his defense, I'll admit he was very nice and had kind intentions, but could have used a few social skills.

Ok, back to the prayer meeting. As you might well know, UUs are a diverse bunch of people, and UU services tend to be a bit freer and lack the dogma that other religious groups practice. Basically our pastor said a few words, and we sat in silent meditation for about 15 minutes. At the end of it, the geeky guy let out this loud sigh and opened his eyes. He said, "I just helped hundreds of souls cross over." He explained that while he was meditating and sending healing energy, he was drawn to GZ in the astral realm and helped hold open a portal so souls could cross over. Those aren't his exact words, but it's the best explanation I can give. I also practiced Reiki, and also sent healing energy to the victims and their families in meditation. My experience was far less heroic than this guy had.

My initial response to his declaration after the prayer was "Jeez, this guy is an arrogant BAD_WORD." I was so mad at him being a drama queen at the meeting. Seriously, how could one person claim such bold actions to have personally helped hundreds of souls cross over? It blew my mind. The people I practiced Reiki with were cautious about selfcenteredness and spiritual materialism, so that kind of behavior was way out there. I didn't say anything. Maybe I misdunderstood him. I figured I was just peevish because his personality simply rubbed me the wrong way, I had major problems at my job, and generally it was a BAD_WORD day. I don't doubt his compassion and his intention. I am sure he did help people, as did everyone who prayed and meditated that day and forever after.

What's my point? I'm not exactly sure.

In learning about Reiki healing and other forms of meditation, I learned it's possible to pracitce healing at a distance through focusing attention on a recipient. Prayer groups have been documented to help sick people. All kinds of phenomenal actions are possible through astral travel. So this concept isn't new. What I do not entirely understand (but do not doubt or discredit) is how soul rescue / release works at a distance, especially when people are hundreds of miles away.

Maybe this is similar to psychic detectives who can work on cases far away and help police solve crimes. Maybe this is similar to remote viewing. Maybe it's astral travel.

In working with our ghost team, we have done crossover work for earthbound spirits. I never work alone in this, always with one or more members of the team and always with assistance from spirits on the other side.

Some experts in paranormal investigations, shamans, and psychics disagree with this approach. They argue that crossover work does not work and ghosts eventually come back. One friend explained to me that he thinks we are interfering with the karma or spiritual development of an earthbound ghost if we help it cross over. He is also convinced ghosts always come back. I argued back that perhaps it is our karma to help these souls cross over so they can continue their spiritual path.

I've come to have mixed feelings about crossover work. I am not absolutely certain about the effectiveness of it. I do believe we are helping. Even if spirits choose not to cross over, at least these souls have been reminded of their situation and their free will to stay or to leave.

There is one case where the homeowners do not want us to return to their house. They don't want us to make their ghost leave. What they don't understand is that we can't make him do anything he doesn't want to do. He's like a member of the family or a superantural pet that does amazing tricks. He's their claim to fame. He's happier in death than in life. He's the invisible man. He's a magician. He's a suicide who realized the afterlife is fun.

I want to talk to him. I want to tell him how meeting him affected me personally. In my mind I have tried to reach out to him and communicate. I don't know if he hears me. If this spirit release business works at a distance, maybe then he could be helped. Truth be told, he doesn't want "help." He still has free will to stay with the living, but should know he has a choice.

Ok, that's my 99 cent value menu's worth. Discuss.

Amy

Edited by Redhead, 07 September 2009 - 04:39 PM.
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Posted 08 March 2008 - 01:01 AM

Excellent post Amy...I tend to agree with your point of view. Particularly in seeing people make such bold claims as being able to ferry so many souls "across". Ultimately we just don't know what's best for those on the other side, and it seems rather arrogant for us humans to assume that they are helpless without us graciously escorting them into the great beyond. I'd like to give the average ghost a little more credit in that perhaps they have what they feel is a good reason for sticking around. Many don't, and I believe it is entirely possible with swift traumatic deaths for a soul to not be aware he/she is dead for some time. And in those cases, sure I think it certainly can't hurt to try and remind them what has happened or pray for them...it just bums me out to see guys like Derek Acorah on tv, summoning forth archangels left and right to come "collect" wayward souls. Seems to me that a being as evolved as an archangel would know how to do their duty quite well, and would be well aware of who's queued up to cross over vs. who wants to stick around for a bit longer.
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Posted 08 March 2008 - 03:28 AM

Well, I'll start again...I just wrote a long post, got disconnected and lost it.
Wow Amy what a post! Lots to think about. I knew a guy just like the geeky guy you mentioned. I was attending a small metaphysical church at the time. I could just see him from your picture of him. He had no friends there as he was a little odd, and abrasive. Just giving your guy the benefit of the doubt....Who knows where he REALLY was while meditating? And how else would he speak of it except in his own geeky, turn you off way. I think that all of us, from our "makeup".... life's experiences, how we percieve things, what our beliefs are, maybe signing onto to a particular mission in this life before incarnating (what I call our spiritual job)each one of us is suited for certain "jobs", willingly, of course, whether it's helping "earth-bounds" praying for healing of others and our planet, etc. I even think that some people go out of body while sleeping to help others. In the spirit world, there is no time or distance. That's why distant healing prayer works, and scientifically proven. It was hard for me to wrap my brain around that at first.
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Posted 08 March 2008 - 11:35 PM

YankeePyrate and Puti,
You both got me thinking about points I didn't mention before.

Yankee made an excellent point about higher beings knowing whom to collect and when to escort souls to the other side. Beings across the veil who know better than we do on earth. There are instances when those beings, call them angels or spirit guides, contact the living to work with helping a spirit to cross over. In the work we do on our team, we always ask for help from guides and angels.

Certain members of this message board have written about their own experiences of higher beings making contact with them to assistance assist earthbound spirits and other cases in which ghosts have directly sought help from individuals who are sensitive enough to be aware of them. In these cases, it's my opinion that the living person contacted for help should do what he or she is able to do, even if it is as simple as sending kind thoughts.

Puti also brings up a very important point regarding a person's mission or job assignment for his or her incarnation. Some people do have a calling to work as psychic mediums, spirit rescuers, midwives to the afterlife, etc. This is delicate work that requires compassion, ethics, and a grounding in cultural relativism. I've heard of cases in which after ghosts have crossed over then the ex-ghosts become escorts for souls making the transition to the other side.

Do you know what I worry about? It's a constant, daily anxiety that my actions and help will cause more harm than good, no matter how well intentioned, and that includes friends, family, coworkers, strangers, spirits, and so on. This feeling can be immobilizing. I worry about the unforeseen and unintentional consequences of performing crossover and spirit rescue work.

Anyway, back to the topic. How does all this work at a distance? Are we all connected through the spirit realm, where time and space are meaningless and beings move and act at the speed of thought? Like Puti said, there's science behind it, quantum physics, holographics, neurobiology, biochemistry. I've read about these subjects and still struggle to wrap my brain around it. Maybe I'll finally understand it after I'm dead.

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Posted 09 March 2008 - 12:19 AM

Amy I think you and I read the same books! For many years now I've been "driven" to read what I'm guided to read. Too long to explain that and I'll only get way off topic. It all started with "Holographic Universe" by Michael Talbot. No need to worry ...easy for me to say, huh? I did too, and even doubted what had taken place, and that I was deluding myself. But I think "intention" counts for everything. Just the fact that you have a caring, loving heart that wants to help is all that matters.
Here's something that I have a VERY hard time wrapping my old head around. But I do believe it! The Buddist (SP) say that there is only ONE of us here. Actually, Christianity does too.
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Posted 09 March 2008 - 03:46 PM

I don't know how it can be done at a distance but I imagine some can. I know if I am in a meditative state and think too much about a place I "go there" I personally need to know the place well to do it but I consider myself a novice of the lowest order.

I was told by a sensitive friend that there are two types of earthbound spirits. The ones who are stuck for whatever reason, and those that say, yeah, I see the light but I like it just fine here, thanks.
I also like the attitude in the book "Witness from Beyond" Allegedly a Lutheran theologian spoke through a medium and talks about heaven and the afterlife. Among other things, he states that many in heaven are sent back to earth to assist earthbound spirits. The spirits are earthbound for many reasons, one of them being that they don't feel worthy of crossing over.
Maybe some on earth are given the task of assisting as well?
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Posted 07 September 2009 - 01:48 PM

hi everyone

have read most peoples views regarding spirit rescue and what can be done or cannot be done and i thought i would add my pennies worth.

spirit rescue requires 2 things :
help from our side
help from their side

if angels or helpers could get everyone home safe and well then being blunt they would not need our help at all.

but because lost / confused / scared or any other number of reasons spirits are for want of a better word trapped near our earth plane and our energy / vibration is closest to what they understand then its down to us to help them get home.

there is no if / and or buts we either help or we dont its as simple as that.

some people may find it hard to believe that a new geeky guy could reach out and all by himself get hundreds of souls home but i dont think its that far fetched at all.

with all things their is will and intent.

if you have the will to do the work and the intent and you believe you can open a portal and get lost souls home then being blunt .... you can.

this chap did not do this all himself he had help from spirit who guided the lost souls home and did anyone ask how did this new geek manage this?

did he imagine a portal opening and all the lost / confused spirts went rushing in , or did he talk to them as a whole and explain that there is a better life on the other side of the light.

i am no small fry when it comes to spirt rescue.

i am not in any shape or form Religulous or go to church but i do believe in god our saviour and it goes without saying that jesus is the main man.

but i have done hundreds of spirit rescues over the years , and have sent large groups over by listening to their concerns and just talking to them , and when the time is justified i have opened a portal and helpers from upstairs have come and guided them home.

please just remember that a spirit rescue does not just happen because you are in the right place at the right time.

your own guides / helpers have already discussed how they can help and how best to bring this to your attention and they know the way you work and try to give you all the facts so that a successful rescue can be performed.

you either believe in the work or you dont its as simple as that.

most people and that includes mediums would laugh at me when i say that i have got up at 4am in the morning and done a spirit rescue on a cold winters day by a church because that was what had been worked out by my guides and helpers, and for what its worth i rescued a bunch of small children who were being held against their will by ... well lets just say it was not a nice entity.

we all understand about ego and how it can make or break you so with regards to Derek Acorah i fully understand that this man of many talents has let ego and above all greed get the better of him and i still wonder at times how hes guides allow this and continue working with him ... but thats not up to us to decide.

spirit rescue is in my heart and soul and i have the good abilty of remembering who i have spoken to and what i have done when i am asleep and our soul goes back upstairs to see loved ones and i know for a fact that all angels / helpers need good people to do this work because they can do so much, but at times it takes us people down here on the earth plane to tip the balance and help where we can.

as i have said this is just my view ... take it or leave it that is your choice but as long as i can do the good work and not worry about ego or thinking i am in any way above most mortals who do not understand i will surely go home on my final day with my head held high and being thankfull that i helped where i could.


kind regards tim

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Posted 07 September 2009 - 04:45 PM

This is a very interesting topic, but since it isn't about specific encounters with the paranormal, I'm moving it to Spirit Communication where it will get more attention.
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Posted 08 September 2009 - 02:29 AM

I have been drawn to spirit release work in the last year or so. There are different types of spirit release because different people have different skills and interests. There are people who are ready to cross over, but don't always have what it takes to cross the gap. It's similar to taking a flight to cross the ocean. Those I cross over are more or less ready to go, and I work with a gatekeeper and Archangel Michael to bring loved ones from the other side to collect the beings ready to go.

There are other spirit release workers who do more therapeutic work to listen to troubled ones who are afraid to cross over or don't understand the other side. The knowledge we can get fed on this side can cause problems on the other side. Imagine if you're going to London and someone gives you a map to Lisbon and yells at you when you try to comment or says you need to have faith that it will still get you around London.

As for whether we have the right to help people cross over, would you let someone stand helpless on a street corner, lost, because no one will stop and help out with directions? Once you've checked in on the other side, you can still come back if you like. But why let, for example, a woman who died on her wedding night remain distressed for years in a hotel room, when chances are that her husband, who crossed over, is waiting for her, as well as all her other loved ones who crossed over, and whom she can't see because she is so upset?

Helping a being, dead or alive, come to grips with something holding them back from accepting and giving love, is one of the greatest achievements in life, in my opinion. A therapist is not presumptuous to listen to someone's problems and give them tools to get past problems; it is also a form of spirit release, only in this case the spirit is alive.

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 07:05 AM

Hi, I just have a few questions. I was told that spirits didn't suffer the same kinds of feelings that we do, is that just after they've crossed over? And I am a total believer that some people do have the power to help these lost souls. I would love to be one of them. I am more that willing to listen but, I don't know how to hear, any suggestions? I ahve been happily married for 13 years this month with 3 beautiful boys. I have always had this strong desire to help. Due to severe money problems I can't help people that way but, any chance I get, I am the first one to offer help-sometimes even knowing that I will end up getting hurt in the end. Yes, I know that is not good, that's why I think it's supposed to be used for something else. It's my nature to help anyone who needs it, I just want to know if there is something more that I should be doing that I am missing.
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Posted 08 September 2009 - 08:43 AM

Hi, I just have a few questions. I was told that spirits didn't suffer the same kinds of feelings that we do, is that just after they've crossed over? And I am a total believer that some people do have the power to help these lost souls. I would love to be one of them. I am more that willing to listen but, I don't know how to hear, any suggestions? I ahve been happily married for 13 years this month with 3 beautiful boys. I have always had this strong desire to help. Due to severe money problems I can't help people that way but, any chance I get, I am the first one to offer help-sometimes even knowing that I will end up getting hurt in the end. Yes, I know that is not good, that's why I think it's supposed to be used for something else. It's my nature to help anyone who needs it, I just want to know if there is something more that I should be doing that I am missing.


Spirits known as ghosts or intelligent hauntings are human beings without bodies. There are 'recordings' or residuals which are not intelligent and are just recordings. You may already sense spirits, like I do, that hang out, but you don't see them.

If you want to work in spirit releasement, there are some interesting books, like "30 Years among the dead" by Wickland and "True Hauntings" by Hazel Denning, that can inform you about spirit release work. After you have done the research, then it's between you and your spirit guides to start on the path. There are Spiritualist churches that do this sort of work, too. If their beliefs are compatible to yours, get in contact with them for more information.

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 08:45 AM

thanks for the advice, I'll check them out.
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