The Premier Skeptic- James Randi
Posted 05 June 2003 - 05:18 PM
[glow=red,2,300]WHAT DO YOU THINK?[/glow]
Posted 05 June 2003 - 05:32 PM
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Posted 06 June 2003 - 05:50 PM
The "Amazing" Randi might be a bit closed minded as his fame now primarily comes from exposing charlatans. I can say from a couple of short emails he answered my opinion is that he goes into investigations of photos (and people) with an expectation that everything is a fraud. This might not really be a bad thing though as he has exposed more than his share of conmen.
One reason more don't try for the million may be the fact that everything must be become Randi's property, photos tests ect. Additionally, if the applicant fails the test, I am sure accusations of fraud would follow that person for a long, long time.
I do say though that every charlatan that is exposed is a service to the paranormal community at large.
[move]What Say You Villagers? What's your opinion?[/move]
Posted 06 June 2003 - 09:52 PM
Read the article
Posted 07 June 2003 - 03:36 AM
Basically what I am saying is that I wish everyone could have a middle of the road way of thining and neither believe or disbelieve evertything but take it on a case by case basis.
By the way...don't make the chihuahua's do all the moderating work for you! LOL ;D
Posted 07 June 2003 - 03:42 AM
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Posted 07 June 2003 - 09:04 AM
Sensationalisim is a large part of the history of the paranormal ( it all began that way ) ( its documented history). There are more lies and speculation than fact. Its easy to believe someone if you have a need thats bad enough to do so . These so called gifted people prey on those unfortunate souls that have suffered great loss and have a need to know the truth . Psycics add to their grief by inparting their speculation, lies and trickery. There is no truth, only added pain to an already painful situation.
It amazes me to no end to watch the onslaught of people that buy speculation and nonsense without even questioning the facts. I dont know if it is that people are lazy in general or if its ignorance due to a greater need to believe in any answer given. Im endlessly amazed with the flood of guru garbage that people buy as fact.
The truth can be elusive and requires hard work and the ability to accept let downs after a large investment of time and resources. The truth is never easy to accept and is usually very uncomfortable to feel and swallow. Therefore many people will take whats thrown as fact before trying to seek the truth themselves due to the possiable let downs that may come as a result of their efforts.
Ignorance is one thing, knowing better and not questioning results in search for truth is downright pathetic.
Posted 07 June 2003 - 01:44 PM
I encourage all villagers to take a look at the pics and maybe send in your opinion. I am actually interested in how Randi will explain the pics. Don't hold your breath if you think he will say they are paranormal! ;D
The Truth is the Truth, no matter its source.
Posted 12 June 2003 - 06:57 PM
secretsign I can't understand how someone thinks that way.
Which way would that be?
krcguns I think he is a little off the deep end especially with his offers of money for the psychic that can absolutely prove to him that it exists.
Hmmmmm, what do you mean by proof? The James Randi Education Foundation 1 million dollar prize will be awarded to any person claiming paranormal powers who can show they can do what they say they can do under the conditions they say they can do it. No explanation of how it's done is necessary. A demonstration that there's an ability there is all that's needed.
flyingorb The "Amazing" Randi might be a bit closed minded as his fame now primarily comes from exposing charlatans.
Could be. I'll bet, though, that his disbelieving nature is more down to the countless number of people he's dealt with who are convinced that they have supernatural abilities - and then go on to fail the easier tests - with no exceptions.
flyingorb One reason more don't try for the million may be the fact that everything must be become Randi's property, photos tests ect.
How come? At the end of the day, if the person passes the test they've got an amazing ability. They'll redefine the world as we know. So what if Randi keeps the test-related materials?
flyingorb Additionally, if the applicant fails the test, I am sure accusations of fraud would follow that person for a long, long time.
Not necessarily. If you're a fraud, you're a fraud and you deserve to be denounced. Many of the testers (most?) fail simply because they sincerely believe they have abilities they don't possess (or, at least, are unable to demonstrate on the occasion of the test).
krcguns My way of thinking though is that if your mind is so closed off like his....you will never be able to see anything as proof that things exist. I also believe the other side of that spectrum where as if you are so closed minded the other way you will be seeing spirits in your Cheerios.
Absolutely. Being closed to the possibility of any new concept is neither healthy nor smart; neither is being so 'open minded' that you readily embrace everything that's presented to you.
Randi's mind is closed? Undoubtedly he's biased - who wouldn't be after decades of dealing with charlatans and the self-deceived? Closed completely to the possibility that there may be some kind of paranormal phenomenon? He’s open minded enough to offer 1 million dollars to be proved wrong.
krcguns Basically what I am saying is that I wish everyone could have a middle of the road way of thining and neither believe or disbelieve evertything but take it on a case by case basis.
Spoken like a true skeptic! No, I'm being serious - I agree. Everyone should make an effort to learn how to think critically and how to evaluate evidence then apply what they've learnt to the beliefs and opinions presented to them.
Posted 12 June 2003 - 08:05 PM
yes..I do look at things in a skeptical way...I don't believe everything that comes down the pike. Also though...I have had quite a few experiences that tells me that the paranormal is very, very real. I try very hard to be neither too far left or right on a subject and take them one at a time.
Also it doesn't bother me when people are skeptical...the only part that does is when someone is so close minded that they have made a decision before the evidence has been presented to them! ;D
I also am aware that Mr. Randi has dealt with a lot of charlatins in his days! I know how that can make one very callous. I think though that objectivity is important. ;D
Posted 14 June 2003 - 07:42 AM
[u]flyingorb[/u] Additionally, if the applicant fails the test, I am sure accusations of fraud would follow that person for a long, long time.
Not necessarily. If you're a fraud, you're a fraud and you deserve to be denounced. Many of the testers (most?) fail simply because they sincerely believe they have abilities they don't possess (or, at least, are unable to demonstrate on the occasion of the test) -QUOTE.
Thats sad. I hadn't considered the possibility of testees being deluded, or mentally ill.
The inability to demonstrate any ability I do understand. Most of what I see and consider credable in the paranormal field is dependant on an outside influence. The event, be it pics,evp,manifestations, is not something that can be "forced to occur" by an investigator. The interaction is dependant upon the spirit trying to communicate. Their time , their place and their choice of person to receive. Just my thoughts. Glad you stopped in Jim, hope you stick around and continue to exchange ideas.
Posted 14 June 2003 - 08:30 AM
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