Mist Anomalies:Ghosts or Not?
Posted 15 November 2003 - 07:15 PM
Posted 15 November 2003 - 07:22 PM
I mean, they look like pictures of mist at night to me... what am I supposed to think?
Same thing with orbs, while we're on this subject.
Posted 16 November 2003 - 10:40 AM
Here is a pic that I took last summer. It was a clear, warm night with no fog, rain, breath, etc. This actually is one of four in a row that had mist in them but this one is the best and also has a wonderful orb in it. I just thought I would post it because there is no reason for the mist to be there. The van in the shot was shut off and the keys were in my pocket also so it isn't exhaust. Give it a look and see what you think. ;D
Posted 16 November 2003 - 06:35 PM
Like for example, the breath, if it is seventy degrees out you aren't going to have that as a problem
Well, krc... generally speaking you would be right. However I have one slight problem with that statement. I saw Brandon mention high humidity and that is what I personally believe is the number one cause of "mists" in pictures. Even when it is 70,80,90, even 100 degrees outside, if the relative humidity is above about 80 percent (which it is many times in the summer in the midwest, south, east, and southeast regions of the U.S.) your breath will condense.. which is invisible to the naked eye. Also if the humidity is low and you are sweating (say, from trudging around a graveyard carrying a camera), your sweat will evaporate causing your body to "steam".. also invisible to the naked eye in warm weather. However... if exposed to a bright light source especially backlighting (camera flash, flood light, etc.) you CAN see these effects.
By the way, krc.. your photo is amazing as usual. The orb is fantastic. But like I said, I am a big skeptic about mists, so I will believe in half of it if that's ok. ;D
Posted 16 November 2003 - 06:50 PM
I live in Northern Minnesota...we don't have really hight humidity very often at all. Probably about as often as northern Florida gets snow. For the most part (with a few days exception) the humidity is very low and thus not the cause for the mist. I guess I take that for granted some times with humidity not being a great concern. By humidity being high I am talking with the heat on a clear day and not when it is raining. Of course the humidity is high then. You can believe all, half or none if you want to, I know what happened and what it was like...you weren't there and all you have is that I am making a statement. I know you don't know me but I do all of my investigations on the up and up and would never cheat on anything. ;D
Posted 16 November 2003 - 06:57 PM
Posted 16 November 2003 - 07:59 PM
Posted 16 November 2003 - 09:07 PM
Posted 17 November 2003 - 10:32 AM
- How was the photograph processed?
- Are there any known errors that can occur in the processing method and affect the photographs being developed?
- Are there processing errors that occur that cause mist-like effects on photographs?
- Could the misting in the photograph in question be considered an example of any of these types of errors?
If the answer is 'yes' to the last 3 then any statement that there's a paranormal influence in the misting should be discounted - unless it can be shown that appropriate steps were taken to eliminate the processing errors during the photo development stage.
Posted 17 November 2003 - 10:43 AM
But my point with this type of thing is this: If you weren't a ghost hunter and weren't looking for or thinking about ghosts, and you took some pictures somewhere and they had phonomena which looked like this on them, would you think at all that they were ghosts?
The picture is certainly a fine example of an orb and of mist. I believe in the picture and in the photographer. But really, what do you have there? If this wasn't a ghost site I wouldn't think that pic was one of ghosts. If this was an astronomy site and you told me that orb was a picture of Pluto viewed through a powerful telescope, I'd probably think it was such.
I guess its just personal experience.. I've heard many personal accounts from friends, etc, who have seen ghosts and had experiences. I've had some myself. None of them mention orbs or mist as being a part of the manifestation. People I know who have seen things have actaully seen human-like figures or faces. As such, thats the kind of thing which I am looking for. If I feel a tap on my shoulder one night or hear something and look around and see an orb or mist there, I'll change my mind real quick.. but until then I just can't buy it.
Posted 17 November 2003 - 11:36 AM
Posted 18 November 2003 - 02:08 PM
One suggestion for beating this phenomenon is to take multiple shots of the same area from differing angles.
Just my take,
Posted 19 November 2003 - 12:38 AM
You make some good points, Paul. With regard to this one: I get the impression that in an urge to produce tangible proof for ghosts, to take them beyond the realm of mere individual experience and anecdotal evidence, people grasp their camera and/or recorder, very much prepared in advance to accept any anomaly in the resulting photographs or sound recordings as being paranormal. Photo's are typically taken under conditions when you would normally not even think of using a camera - i.e., in pitch dark night. That camera's and film produce anomalies under such conditions isn't at all surprising.
None of them mention orbs or mist as being a part of the manifestation.
As you seem to know an awful lot about it: what determines these variations? Why mist one time, orbs the next, and a face or a person on a third occasion? Again, this randomness mainly seems to suggest that you are not finding coherent evidence for a part of reality with consistent rules and manifestations, but rather that all manner of chance anomalies are being interpreted towards the desired conclusion.
Orbs are just a basic form of energy and are not always visible to the naked eye or the camera lens. The mist is basic ectoplasm and not an apparition either so it wouldn't be able to tap you on the shoulder.
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