Can't resist... I tried... One last "kick at the ol' can"...
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when people speaks different language, there is no proper communication. and people can make of what someone has put. if one is not even open to know what the words mean - form the speakers side- what worth is openness?
So why learn? Why try to understand when you can simply say "go away" and remain ignorant of the point. As someone who is somewhat bilingual in French and English, I find this reference fairly offensive. Aside from the literal translation, what about scientific data that I don't readily understand... Should I ignore it as I don't understand it or try to learn? Isn't it important to TRY to understand and then debate (and possibly learn) in an understanding way?
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the person who want information decides. If I wanna know I decide to know and no one has any right to tell me I cannot!
Ah, that kind of "flat Earth/poisoness tomato" thinking is nasty. This is a study of the unknown... There are hypotheses and theorems that do require study and proper debate... but why bother (even though one of those hypotheses or theorems could be correct) when it doesn't fit YOUR model, correct?
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If there is someone to help, it should be in trying to add on to my interests, not in opening an argument and discouraging and questioning my beliefs.
But isn't that the point? Maybe you could find something that substantiates your beliefs or thoughts. Maybe you could put to rest the arguments you've heard logically and with sound ideas and studies. Should we not discuss and LEARN? You might have something to teach me and I might have something that would help you, but you'll never learn if you close all ideas down before they even get started.
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Exchanging ideas for what? to enrich, or just to have a thread open for meaningless word-fight?
I'm still learning... One hopes, you're still learning... We ALL should be still learning and trying to help each other... Unless, as opposed to being a researcher, investigator, or even and open-minded fan of the paranormal, you really are nothing more than a preacher of your particular faith and the rest of us are nothing more than heritics which should be silenced without discussion... If that's the case, don't travel too far lest you plummet off the edge of the planet.
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All data absorbtion doesn't work. If we don't use our consious mind - the keeper of the counsios - to check on what we receive, boy! we are MAD in a chaotic world!
"Adopt" - Learn from, take in, learn about.
"Adapt" - See what works for you. What doesn't... And why.
"Improve" - Put together a new idea (or substantiate an old one) with the new data.
You're correct, if you tried to ADOPT (only) everything, you would go nuts, but you should endeavour to understand it and work with it... Either that, or continue the "shouting down" and "shutting down" of others and enjoy the bubble you create.
I get into discussions with "believers" and with "sceptics" ("sceptdebunkers") all the time... I listen, I ask questions, I learn, and usually come out richer for the experience... Whether that experience enriched my views by helping "prove" a point or by making me "re-examine" my own views... Sure, some may kibbitz and get angry, but in the long run, I usually shut down most "arguments" by one simple statement...
"Where's your evidence? What's your data? Why do you think it's relevant? How much work have you done to prove/disprove this?"
The concept of an educated discussion is lost when it's closed down to all and only people with your views or with whom you think are "worthy" are disincluded.
The only time that should happen is "personal" reference.
In the above case, I don't think it was "personal" data... it was relevant to the study.
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exchanging is not rebuking - kindly understand.
I slapped your hand as you seemed to be slapping OURS (not just mine) by saying discussion on the data was pointless.
It seems that in your mind, we're all in the dark.
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It's all in your mind and it gets only as good as your thoughts. I am in no way responsible to change your thoughts, but I may be helpful in trying to tell ya, see what ya wanna see, hear what ya wanna hear!
I guess that's your opinion... I would argue, however, that it is not all "in my mind" as I quote my references, back up my statements, and credit those people and situations that were pertinant.
For example, I quoted your lines about "the right people" and "the right direction" and asked valid questions...
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Okay, sorry... Rockhauler, if I may answer your question... Despite being one of the "great unwashed" who should be silent...
In 1998, Jennifer Krutila started a study where she asked members of The Spiritualist Church of Canada, various "house clearing" ghost-groups/investigators, generic (if one can use that term) psychics and the like about "why" we "should" clear homes... (something that the GHRS doesn't do... for various reasons.)
The answers she got from her cross-scetion of data from these groups was that the majority actually DID say that not all ghosts "should" or "want" to be moved along... and then, many did qualify that by saying "it's for the best" for these ghosts...
When she did ask about that, she was told that these folks (for the most part) knew that they were better off moved on to wherever... let's say "into the light".
How do these people know? Got me... Seems to me that the only "concrete" evidence of things "after death" would be difficult if not impossible to find out about without a certain type of experimentation and observation that would require one to die and stay dead for a while.
If we accept the theory that ghosts are indeed "survival of bodily death" of some sort, (again a theory based not on fact but on belief or hypothesis... and with so many alternative thoughts, I think we should all be wary of this...) I agree with you and Jennifer that indeed, maybe it's not our place to "push people along".
I'll be interested to see your final paper... Of course, if it is available for consumption by us cave-dwelling, unworthy, low-forhead, mouth-breathing folks unworthy to discuss such things.
'nuff said.
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Have any of you ever gotten any comfirmation of your help ? Have you ever suffered any negative effects from doing this? if so what were they and how did they manifest?
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Its amazing what you can learn from writting your thoughts and experiences. I am certainly not what I was 12 years ago when this all began. 
and I still learn something new every day .
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