Vampchick21, on Aug 6 2008, 10:26 AM, said:
Let's say that JimDe's proposal in his inital post is true, that a ghost or haunting is not a spirit of a long (or recently) dead human being.
What I'm curious about is what could the phenomena therefore be? If we remove the human aspect, what else could possibly cause these things (apparitions, unexplainable mists, EVPs, sounds with no known source, phantom smells, objects moving, etc, etc). It's clear to me that something is going on, has been going on for likely most of human history.
I guess I'm asking for theories, if this is not caused by the spirit of a dead human being, then what?
that's what JimDe was trying to ask in the original post, but instead the thread has turned into a debate of other sorts. I could be wrong there though.
I've had these thoughts for years myself, that it's possible that what we call "ghosts" really have nothing to do with deceased human beings or their spirits. I think the general population of believers tends to cling to the spiritual side of things, simply because it doesn't necessarily bring about questions that we feel compelled to answer, explain and understand. If there is something we don't know from a spiritual aspect, it's much easier to say "It is the mystery of God" or "We just aren't meant to know some things". However, if we take a scientific stance on paranormal phenomena, it becomes a quest for absolute knowledge in this area and it's no longer okay to "settle" for the "we may never know" conclusion.
To answer your question, VampChick, other theories out there involve things such as time loops, wormholes and parallel dimensions (which could, in fact, be the very dimension we call the "spirit realm" or "spiritual plane"). Even with the former two of these theories, we would likely be, in effect, seeing a deceased human being.
I know little about the proposed concept of time loops, although I can only assume we'd be able to view a looped event that has already taken place, hence the fact that these "ghosts" are from the past.
Likewise, with wormholes...Einstein's theory of relativity allowed for the existence of wormholes in the fabric of space-time, as well as the possibility of time travel through
a wormhole...however, one who chose to travel to the future in this way would NOT be capable of returning via the same mode of transportation (as far as Einstein's theory permits anyway)...again, could help explain somewhat the reason we only view "people" from the past. Furthermore, any wormhole that you might use in an equation in quantum physics is an unstable
wormhole...if their existence is fact and they ARE created spontaneously here and there, they certainly wouldn't last long before closing off...which is another interesting aspect to contemplate, seeing as how most "ghosts" seem to be there and gone in the blink of an eye
I won't even get into parallel dimensions at this time, or I may be here all day
As far as EVPs, sounds, smells and moving objects, I believe there have been theories produced within the concepts of telekenesis (obviously, unawares) and mental projection, as well as various psychological phenomena. These things could also be explained by any of the previous theories I mentioned above.
This is a great topic, and I only hope the thread can get back on track...if that's where it was intended to be in the first place?
Edited by AnnieV, 06 August 2008 - 11:50 AM.