Vampires, real or myth?
Posted 31 October 2003 - 06:40 PM
So what do you all think are there people who need blood, due to some freak amino acid deficiency*unable to break down
iron in more conventional forms, they must take blood*insert Bela Lagossi accent here *in the case of a sanguinary, is there a weakness or flaw in the chakras for sexual or psi vamps, is it simply a fetish or is it simply a matter of an old wife's tail that survived the dark ages of superstition???
One of the most known vampires was Vlad Tepes, a Wallechian knight of the 16th century. Vlad, like many of his countrymen were called to war when the Ottoman Turks swept into Eastern Europe, seized Constantinople to protect the Church. Vlad by all accounts was a masterful tactician and formidable warrior, though there were some problems. Since there was an allegiance to the Church, nobles were obligated to fly the dragon of the Greek Orthodox Church above their own standards, Vlad*also a title equating with Prince*refused to have the church's dragon above the bat of Wallechia. During his campaign he also favored slow execution, impaling.
Was his rep as a Vampyr a truthful thing, had he been cursed by the church to become a monster preying upon living blood? Did the blood have a special or mystical-even religious- significance? Or were these rumors seeded by rivals jealous over his success or even a church that feared his growing popularity as a Voevud or war leader or even reprisals from the Turks??
Posted 31 October 2003 - 07:16 PM
[color=red]One of the most known vampires was Vlad Tepes, a Wallechian knight of the 16th century.
Yup, Vlad was the most famous Vampire reference. But I also came upon an information that states there was a Russian Prince in 1047 and the reference Vampire was FIRST made on him. He was called Upir Lichy in Russain that transalates to Wicked Vampire.
and also some I found in a web site......
evidence of the vampire tale can be found with the ancient Chaldeans in Mesopotamia, near the Tigris and the Euphrates rivers, and with Assyrian writings on clay or stone tablets. The land of the Chaldeans is also called the "Ur of the Chaldeans," which was the original home of Abraham from the Bible.
"Lilith" was a possible vampire from the ancient Hebrew Bible and its interpretations. Although she is described in the book of Isaiah, her roots are more likely in Babylonian demonology. Lilith was a monster who roamed at night taking on the appearance of an owl. She would hunt, seeking to kill newborn children and pregnant women. Lilith was the wife of Adam before there was Adam and Eve, according to tradition; but she was demonized because she refused to obey Adam. (Or to see it from a more liberated viewpoint, she demanded equal rights with Adam). Naturally, she was considered evil for such "radical" desires and became a vampire who eventually attacked the children of Adam and Eve -- namely, all human descendants.
[color=red]Did the blood have a special or mystical-even religious- significance?
Blood has religious significance because it is the "living" factor. There exists in every religion a ritual that can be connected to blood. Blood, since it enriches the LIFE, is considered the "representative" of life and wellness. Most of the diseases are also considered to exist because of the blood impurification. The sourse can be elsewhere, but in almost all the diseases, it affects the blood and it's consituents.
Posted 01 November 2003 - 02:54 PM
And yeah, I just read the account from the website you posted and I gotta point out that it says that she was a "possible" first vampire.
Posted 01 November 2003 - 03:25 PM
One of the most known vampires was Vlad Tepes, a Wallechian knight of the 16th century.
Vlad Tepes wasn't a vampire. And I don't just mean because vampires, in the supernatural sense, almost certainly didn't exist; I say that Vlad Tepes wasn't a vampire simply because drinking blood was never among the varied attrocities that he commited. It's not even obvious that Dracula was based on Tepes in any way except his name.
And can anyone tell me the difference between a vampire and a vampyr? Is there one?
Posted 01 November 2003 - 05:24 PM
The fictional Dracula and the historical Dracula share the same name. There can be no doubt that Bram Stoker based his character upon some reference to Vlad Dracula.
Stoker researched various sources prior to writing the novel, including the Library at Whitby and literature from the British Museum. It is entirely possible that his readings on Balkan history would have included information about Vlad Tepes.
Stoker was the friend of a Hungarian professor from Budapest, named Arminius Vambery, who he met personally on several occasions and who may have given him information about the historical Dracula.
Some of the text of Stoker’s novel provides direct correlations between the fictional Dracula and Vlad Tepes (e.g., the fighting off of the Turks--also, the physical description of Dracula in the novel is very similar to the traditional image of Vlad Tepes.).
Other references in the novel may also be related to the historical Dracula. For example, the driving of a stake through the vampire’s heart may be related to Vlad’s use of impalement; Renfield’s fixation with insects and small animals may have found inspiration in Vlad’s penchant for torturing small animals during his period of imprisonment; and Dracula’s loathing of holy objects may relate to Vlad’s renunciation of the Orthodox Church.
There is another side to that for the skeptics, a great website about Vlad and the vampire myth: www.donlinke.com/drakula/vlad.htm
Vampyr is just the European spelling of vampire
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Posted 03 November 2003 - 07:19 AM
As for Lilith, I'd say she was more of a sexual Vamp, since
she also is accredited with being mother to the Succubi and Incubi, according to the legends.
I think most ancient cultures had a Vampire myth, the Greeks
had the Vryoukolas and the ancient Egyptians had Sekhmet, Ra's lion headed daughter who went after wrongdoers and Blasphemers, known also for drinking blood
Posted 03 November 2003 - 07:43 AM
in cherokee myth, a number of vampire - like creatures exist. many rural cherokees and elders still believe in these creatures, which have been part of their mythology for centuries.
there are zombies or blood suckers known simply as "night walkers," that will kill unsuspecting travellers that are on their way by night. evil witches morph into great horned owls and carry their victims off to eat them, and then morph back into human form by morning.
[the witch / great horned owl is differentiated from the screech owl and so-called "hoot" owl by their purpose: screech owls are messengers from the world of the dead and communicate to the shamans and medicine people... to the common cherokee the screech owl is a portend of death, although more accurately it's a symbol for change. the hoot owl is the angel of death that carries the good souls to the paradise beyond and relieves the suffering of life - it was said that the hoot owl was always following the line of marchers on the trail of tears.]
however, the most fearsome night creature of the cherokees was the RAVENMOCKER, called so because it took the form of a man or woman, sprouted black raven's wings, and flew into the night sky fooling all of humanity and making them think it was a common raven. the ravenmocker is a supernatural being who was once human, and has an insatiable lust for blood - in particular, they are feared to eat the heart of a living person without breaking the skin.
primarily, ravenmockers are said to prey on the elderly and the sick, but old shaman's tales recall instances where a ravenmocker was called by a cherokee witch or wizard to eat the heart of a rival.
unlike your conventional western vampire myth, the ravenmocker can only be killed by a special shaman or witch or female medicine woman who was born with the ability to see the ravenmocker for what it is and kill it simply by shouting at it....
...according to my great grandfather, i am one of these people. kind of the "von helsing" of the cherokee pantheon of myth. although i have experienced the "owl communication" phenomena (linked to communication with the dead) i have yet to see a ravenmocker. apparently they don't like urban areas.
i sincerely believe that like many other things, vampirism is a fetishistic belief that is more symbol than science... although it's mighty sexy.
Posted 03 November 2003 - 10:36 AM
Bram Sroker's dracula is widely regarded to be based on Vlad lll Dracula(Tepes the Impaler). The word Dracula is also derived from his father, who was given the nickname "Dracul". In Romanian, Dracul means "the devil", and the "Ulea" indicates a relation, I believe. Therefore, Dracula meant "Son of the Devil". There is another theory that purports that the name comes from when Vlad ll was invested with the Order of the Dragon, a knightly order. The emblem was a dragon, which loosely translated to "drac", and was the symbol of the devil. Either way, Vlad III, still comes out as Dracula, son of the devil.
And of course, who can think of vampires and not think of bats. (Maybe just me ;D ) How did bats and vampires become associated together? The 16th century Spanish conquistadors came into contact with a certain breed of bat that feasted on the blood of animals, and noticed a similarity between the way the bats fed, and the legends of vampires. It did not take long for the legend to become widespread.
As for whether vampires are real or mythical. There definitely are modern day "conditions" that would mimic the vampire, such as photophobia. There are also people who practice certain methodologies, such as drinking fresh blood, in order to absorb energy from it. I believe vampires do exist... the question is, to what level?
Posted 03 November 2003 - 11:42 AM
Posted 03 November 2003 - 01:05 PM
I sincerely believe that like many other things, vampirism is a fetishistic belief that is more symbol than science... although it's mighty sexy.
'cause you know there's nothing sexier than having pale men in capes lunging for your jugular...
Posted 03 November 2003 - 01:50 PM
(not to mention all those pale-skinned goth rockers me and my friends used to drool over in the 1980s...)
Posted 03 November 2003 - 02:39 PM
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Posted 03 November 2003 - 03:58 PM
I am curious to know if anybody has had any experiences with vampires?
Posted 03 November 2003 - 04:37 PM
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