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#61 meanderer

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Posted 08 January 2015 - 07:19 AM

Yes, by all means, research.  It certainly doesn't make you a lesser Christian to research other faiths...if anything, (IMO) it would make you a better Christian, because you have some understanding of other people and how they think.  If, in the course of your research, you start to feel that 'maybe there's another way', so be it.  

 

Our Religion Teacher, Father Herdner, told us

 

"There are many paths to God. I chose this one since it was the one I was most comfortable with. But it is not the only path." 

 

 

Very well said...and I've been telling people the same thing for years! 

 

While others are content with travelling along a nicely paved path, with all the things to see pointed out to them, I prefer going along the path that's overgrown with obstacles and thickets.  I believe it's more rewarding finding your way thru these perils and seeing that, with perserverance and devotion towards continuing the journey, that you have overcome things that others have not.

 

I confirmed that belief a few years ago, on a hike thru nearby woods.  I could have easily taken a path that is quite well-trodden and known to almost everybody who visits these woods...but I saw a part that I hadn't been on in years, and it was overgrown with trees and pricker bushes (lots of them, too!) and decided "This is the way I will go today".  So, after a quick study of what seemed the straightest course, I started in.  Within minutes, I saw that this track was a bit more difficult than it initially appeared; as I was plucking the prickers out of my legs and arms (and trying to wipe the trickles of blood away), I suddenly thought of people I know who would instinctly turn around and look for an easier way.  Others would whine for help, saying "this is too hard". I remembered that this could be a general metaphor for life itself...it isn't easy.  It's not supposed to be.  You could cry all you want, but one way or another, you have to keep moving and get through it.  So, I quietly continued on my way.  The prickers and trees got thicker as I went along - at some points, I was crouching and climbing through prickers and thorns, squeezing between trees...even having a thorny branch swing back and smack me in the forehead, but I kept moving. After some time (I really didn't know how long I'd been "in the rough") I emerged into a small clearing and I had time to access my wounds.  Amazingly, I couldn't find any.  The places where the prickers had sunk into my skin (and I did wipe trickles of blood away) were clear - not a speck of blood or trace of a puncture.  My forehead wasn't bleeding at all (from that vicious thorny branch attack).  In my beliefs, that was my gods' way of saying "well done"...and at that moment, a beautiful deer stepped into the far end of the clearing, looked at me for a minute then turned back to the woods and walked away.  I took that as a sign (again, from my gods) that seeing that deer was my reward for what I'd just accomplished. If I had taken the easy path, I wouldn't have seen that.  This confirmed what I've believed all along.  No matter what obstacles or barriers you are going through, you have to keep moving.  It will be worth it. You'll see.


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Posted 15 January 2015 - 08:51 AM

Very good, meanderer.



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Posted 16 January 2015 - 08:38 AM

In hindsight, I actually wanted to delete that entire last paragraph, since it really didn't have anything to do with the original content of the post (and it seemed like I was bragging - which wasn't my intent at all), but I couldn't (not sure why I wasn't able to).  But it's out there.  It's true.  And I stand by it.


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Posted 16 January 2015 - 09:19 AM

It was a nice experience you related.  I'm sure many can take away personal inspiration from it.



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Posted 01 February 2015 - 01:16 AM

Yes, by all means, research.  It certainly doesn't make you a lesser Christian to research other faiths...if anything, (IMO) it would make you a better Christian, because you have some understanding of other people and how they think.  If, in the course of your research, you start to feel that 'maybe there's another way', so be it.  

 

Our Religion Teacher, Father Herdner, told us

 

"There are many paths to God. I chose this one since it was the one I was most comfortable with. But it is not the only path." 

 

 

Very well said...and I've been telling people the same thing for years! 

 

 

 

It's always fun trying to explain to another Catholic that a number of other Christians don't think we are Christians when they have run up against discrimination of one type or another.

 

You always get that blank stare and the "B...B...But of course we are Christians! We were the First Christians!" and then you have to explain all about the whole "Saved" deal with taking Jesus as your personal savior and how the other Christians don't think we are going to heaven since we haven't been "Saved". They counter with "Jesus saved everyone from Mortal Sin" and you say yes but they think you have to do something extra to get a reservation in heaven, Living a good and honest life just isn't enough. Then you get the "But Jesus gave the keys to the Church to Paul not the Reverend Billy Joe Jim Bob" and you tell them I know that and you know that but they still won't believe we are Christians and they treat us as such.

 

It's mind blowing the first time you either figure it out yourself or it is explained to you.

 

So, Like I say, it's fun to be Catholic and hard not to go around wringing your hands and saying "Muhhhaaaahaaaa!"

 

 

Yes, there is religious discrimination even by supposed "Christians" against other Christians. You think the 30 Years War would have educated some people into pulling their heads out.... but it hasn't.


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Posted 02 February 2015 - 11:33 AM

I think this atheist will just go play in the corner.



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Posted 03 February 2015 - 05:51 PM

I think this atheist will just go play in the corner.

 

 

Hey, It's cool. At least you are Honest in your Beliefs......

 

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This is just something I've run into head-on once again this last week.

 

If you are a Good Person and not dealing with Black Magic or something you have no business messing with, I don't care what religion you are.

Sadly the Reciprocal is very often not there.


Edited by loganinkosovo, 03 February 2015 - 05:54 PM.

The only difference between Socialism and National Socialism is the snappy uniforms. - Logan "Aside from ending Slavery, Fascism and Communist World Domination, War has never solved anything!""For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute! But it's "Savior of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot." - Rudyard Kipling"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."---George Orwell"Always Remember-All Lessons in Life are Expensive.....and the last one costs you everything you have." - Logan"Socialism is just Communism without a Dictator....and you can always find a Dictator!" - Logan"An Armed Man is a Citizen. An Unarmed Man is a Subject. Subject to anything anyone wants to do to him." - Logan

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Posted 03 February 2015 - 06:00 PM

I think this atheist will just go play in the corner.

 

 

As long as you don't try to tell me there is no God I won't try to tell you there is.....

 

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Posted 03 February 2015 - 09:12 PM

TBH, I see it as just being many pathways to the same place, and I respect others' beliefs/religion as the path that's best for them.


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Posted 06 February 2015 - 04:54 AM

I think this atheist will just go play in the corner.

I respect that you are an atheist.  That's your right to believe or disbelieve whatever you want.  I work with a couple of atheists who seem to enjoy arguing religion with other people...not just discussing, but coming right out and trying to show people that their beliefs are wrong.  They've asked me what I believe in, and I tell them that it's none of their business; they accuse me of being "afraid to tell them", and I tell them that it's not open for debate. But I do respect your right to be an atheist because, as far as I know, you don't go around trying to knock what other people believe in. That's what all faiths should understand. But it's part of human nature to go around thinking "I'm a better person because I believe in this or that, or that I practice my faith this way or that...".  As I've said many times, it doesn't matter what god or gods you worship (or no god at all), because they all basically want us to be good to each other.  We're all in this together and we need to get along. Keep an open mind, and do not criticise others for what they believe; as long as they're not hurting anybody in the name of (insert deity of choice here), what's the harm?


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Posted 06 February 2015 - 02:01 PM

Y'all are screwed in the head; LEAVE ME ALONE!!!

Ah, I feel better.

Seriously, I'm the type who just lets people be who they are with whatever beliefs they have.  I try to get along with everyone and don't push my belief on anyone or argue about the existence/non-existence of anything unless I am provoked, which is not often at all.  As it is, I'm in mixed marriage: my wife is beautiful and I'm the ogre under the bridge flinging poop at passers-by.  She is also christian, and so is our son.  We have been together for 23 years next week and it just keeps on getting better.  We have our little discussions and disagreements about religion and such, but then I end it by saying she's stupid, pull her hair, and run off.  And when my youngest (I have an older son from a previous marriage who is an Odinist) said he wanted to be an atheist like me, I discussed it with him and told him he shouldn't be something just because I am: that you have to be true to yourself and feel deep down and realize how you really feel about believing or not.  Well, he's still a Methodist like his mommy.  That is something I could never do: try to convert someone at a moment of indecision or weakness.  This is all too personal a choice to make and those who take advantage of that are dispicable.  Even when I was a Cub Scout master, I excused myself from the religious portions of the activities.  Yes, the people in charge, including the pastor of the church, knew I was an atheist, but he told me that they wanted someone of character (I think he meant A character) who they could trust, so I was chosen since they knew of me and my family and felt it was an appropriate move.  That went on for most of a year until someone finally came forward to take the helm who was better suited.

For me, it comes down to what you guys have been stating all along: being a good person in conjunction with what you believe, maybe even learning from others of their beliefs to better your understanding while trying to impart your reasoning for your belief without getting into an all-out nude cage brawl.  Besides, it's my god-given right as an atheist to believe this way.  Um....yeah, I guess that's possible.  And my mother still tells me I'm not an atheist.



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Posted 06 February 2015 - 05:37 PM

Very well put...surprisingly, by somebody from Texas.  Oh, I kid!  Seriously, you have definitely made a good point, especially from an atheistic point of view, about not arguing whether there is or isn't a god/gods, or even which way to revere the same god. 

 

It is good to see an Atheist who isn't having a tantrum because other people around them choose to believe in something completely different than them.  When the Atheists I work with get into their debates with an unsuspecting (a Christian) co-worker, I feel obligated to step in and ask why it would matter in their lives whether somebody believes something that even I don't believe...but I respect his right to believe it. 


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Posted 09 February 2015 - 09:16 AM

Thank you, meanderer; there are a few of us in Texas who can more better...talk...our words...good.

I really like your last line in your reply: what does it matter? Well, to relate to that, I recently replied to a re-posting by a high school friend on Facebook of a christian post about being in a relationship with someone who doesn't believe in god, the original author stating she could not. All said they couldn't or wouldn't do it. I just kindly replied replied that my marriage has been going strong for 23 years with my wife and I being at different ends of the believe spectrum, and we couldn't be more in love. No one else replied to that post after my reply. Oh, well.

I can see where it can make a difference in a marriage, but in the example you stated, it doesn't matter. I hope that they don't lose sleep over the fact that someone else has a different belief system. I do from time to time, but it's just a matter of time under the withholding of sex before my wife gives in and comes to my side. Yep, any year now.






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