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[earth_spirit]

Caniswalensis, the issue has been addressed. Please continue your thread.

[Caniswalensis]

earth_spirit, on Jun 5 2009, 04:20 PM, said:

Caniswalensis, the issue has been addressed. Please continue your thread.

Thank you so much, official hand of justice!

[mrsspookypants]

I think this thread can be saved....although I do apologize for the holes/gaps that may appear.

The resident troll of Ghostvillage decided to troll after Caniswalensis for a bit and the blueturtle, which is the name he was using this week, is now swimming in a different ocean.

I'm sure that we will see the troll again. Barek_halfhand/aanica seems to have nothing better to do with his life and seems determined to besmirch the paranormal world with their presence. He spends quite a lot of time coming up with the different characters, hiding his identity, and creating the stories that he posts not only here but on other web sites.

I'm also quite sure that he is reading this. Just to let you know Barek....it's no sweat off our back to keep doing this. We don't spend nearly the amount of time or put in nearly the effort that you do for this. You are out to disrupt the message boards here but I can assure you that won't happen...not because of the staff here, but because of the members here.

As for enjoying the controversy....not the case...perhaps it would be if anyone could understand what you are rambling about. Apparently, only you can understand that. What we do enjoy is the laugh....you are definitely good for that. Oh and as for any credibility you may earn in the paranormal world....your trolling negates any aspect of that you may achieve.

[Redhead]

And with that said Mrsspookypants, let us go back to this great topic started by Canis. I think it's an interesting topic - how we perceived events we experienced that may or may not be paranormal and how we used logic and rational thinking to help us determine what it was.

Edited by Redhead, 05 June 2009 - 05:45 PM.

[Lysithia]

I'm a believer and a skeptic at the same time! Mainly a skeptic on the part of, I don't really have any (developed?) psychic ablilities, other than a strong sense of empathy. Sadly, I also really want to experience something, so I have to be fairly objective in my approach!

So, I made a post last week on the possibility of seeing an orb on one of the security cameras at work. I can't really resign myself to the black and white of "yep, that was a real orb," or "No, it couldn't have been." So, now, I'm left with the frustration of "inconclusive."

I decided to ask a friend of mine (who is a medium - she's done a reading for me, the result of that reading has led me to completely trust her)... well, wanted to tell her what I saw. She said, "Oh, you should let my boyfriend see the film, he'll be able to tell you for sure!!" (He's actually a certified camera op and has years of experience in dealing with orbs, dust or bugs). Sadly... I can't get the film, because it's a security camera, and I told her as such. She said that was too bad, unfortunately it's too hard to determine just by a verbal recount, which I agreed.

I said, I didn't feel like the building was haunted though, and she kinda laughed at me and said, "Lysithia, spirits are around us all the time, they don't just go off to a magical place to sit for a while."

So, now she's debunked what I thought was an ability to sense spirits... Now I'm not so sure. I can only go on what I've experienced in the past. It's a rocky road. The empathy is a for sure deal.

[MoonChild]

Thanks Canis, but I guess I need to read it more to understand. But definitely a good start.

[robinrenee]

Canis, your story of the sighting of medieval ghosts in central Illinois was delightful.

But I disagree with your conclusion that they were not really ghosts because they were dressed in medieval garb. If they had been the residual type of ghost, I would agree with you. They would have looked like the inhabitants of recent or long gone residents of central Illinois.

However, the ghosts of real people ... the intelligent ghosts ... would have appeared to you in the type of garb that you were wearing and the type of garb that they were seeing all around them. This type of ghost is intelligent, and they don’t want to rock your world. I would say that you, my dear Canis, have seen a party of ghosts.

[Caniswalensis]

robinrenee, on Jun 7 2009, 06:02 PM, said:

Canis, your story of the sighting of medieval ghosts in central Illinois was delightful.

But I disagree with your conclusion that they were not really ghosts because they were dressed in medieval garb. If they had been the residual type of ghost, I would agree with you. They would have looked like the inhabitants of recent or long gone residents of central Illinois.

However, the ghosts of real people ... the intelligent ghosts ... would have appeared to you in the type of garb that you were wearing and the type of garb that they were seeing all around them. This type of ghost is intelligent, and they don’t want to rock your world. I would say that you, my dear Canis, have seen a party of ghosts.

Hi Robin Renee,

Thanks for the nice reply. You may be right, too. I ackowledge that there is a possiblity that these were ghosts. I just feel like they most likely were a natural thing, like an error in perception. Who knows, though right?

And here is another twist: What if they are neither? What if this was a "time slip" of an hour or so? I may have been seeing people from the medeival event that were walking through at a different time of day. How can I tell the difference between that and some ghosts? It would be impossible, I think.

When it comes down to it, I am sure thaere are other non-ghostly scenarios that we could come up with to explain this episode as well. What does everyone else think?

regards, Canis

[Juanita Rose Violini]

I would suggest going with your initial impression that you saw a group of ghosts. The body has an intelligence of its own and if you got a rush on a cellular level then why not trust that instead of moving the experience into your head where you can dissect, analyze and disproof what your body knows.

This I think is the downfall of our society - we've lost touch with our instinctive knowing and are bumping around in the dark recesses of the mind trying to manage our experiences instead of embracing the mysterious.

Maybe it was a timeslip or an apparition. That doesn't make it less real than reality. The Buddhists say all phenomena is empty - that would include the forest you were walking through in the first place.

[robinrenee]

Caniswalensis, on Jun 8 2009, 09:48 AM, said:

What if this was a "time slip" of an hour or so? I may have been seeing people from the medeival event that were walking through at a different time of day. How can I tell the difference between that and some ghosts? It would be impossible, I think.

The possibility of a time slip occurred to me too, but the physics of an occurrence like that boggles my mind.

Another possibility is infrasound. Your description of the campground suggests the possibility of caves in the area which could set up infrasound vibrations in your eyeballs since they're hollow and filled with liquid. It sounds as if you found the sighting disorienting which would go along with an infrasound hypothesis.

Did the “ghosts” interact with you in any way? Did you make eye contact? Did any of them wave back? If they interacted in any way, (even by looking at you) they had to be real, intelligent ghosts.

[Vampchick21]

I kinda have to go with Caniswalensis on his eventual conclusion. That they were not actual apparitions of dead people simply because they were seen in European medieval garb in an area of the world where there simply were no European people during that era. IL was populated, but the garb of the tribal peoples there was vastly different than what he saw, which was European medieval garb.


Unless, of course, you believe the accounts of 11th century Welsh people making the long treck across the Atlantic and setting up a colony in what is now America, resulting in later legends of "Welsh speaking Indians" (and I can't recall off the top of my head which part of America this was supposed to have occured). There's also the fact that in the late 10th/early 11th century, Europeans DID make it to North American (in what is now Newfoundland, Canada, and possibly down the East Coast in the modern day New England states...but I doubt they made it into IL, and they never did merge with the native population, as the site in Newfoundland was at best, a place to repair boats and wait for better weather for the return trip), as well as accounts of the Irish Saint Brendan making the trek successfully (although, again, I don't recall exactly where he is supposed to have landed).

[earth_spirit]

Someone has taken the time to post a rather extensive writeup in Wikipedia on the legend of Welsh speaking Native Americans. You can find it here:

The Legend of Madoc

[Vampchick21]

That's the one! I couldn't remember the name of the supposed group's leader (for some reason, Prince Henry stuck in my brain, but that's a totally different person and legend)

Thanks Earth!

[Caniswalensis]

robinrenee, on Jun 8 2009, 10:34 AM, said:

Did the “ghosts” interact with you in any way? Did you make eye contact? Did any of them wave back? If they interacted in any way, (even by looking at you) they had to be real, intelligent ghosts.

Good question!

I do not recall any impression of them moving or acknowledging my presence. When I began to look at them closely, they seemed to dissapear, so I am not even sure if I could say they were looking at me. My general impression is that they were, though.

Canis

[Addielass]

Hi Canis!

I think there is no doubt that you had a paranormal experience. It was not normal. It was other than normal. I mean, you don't think you see Phantom people every day, do you? I have no doubt they were aimed at you personally, and felt that YOU would feel comfortable if THEY appeared to you in medieval clothing, that's all.

If you don't believe you actually saw it then you must believe you had an hallucination, which I don't think you do.

You sound like an extremely intelligent fellow with many many interests who loves to flex his intellect & learn new things. And analyze things. But some things to be truly analyzed you have to accept that they exist in the first place, then you can turn it over, look underneath it, take a step back and contemplate it.

I think rather than analyze whether or not it actually happened, you should accept for the moment that it DID happen, so that you can THEN think about WHY it happened.

I think the WHY it happened TO YOU is the key to real analysis.

Great great story! (You should write historical novels!)

Lisa