I want to know what everyones opinion is :
Posted 12 March 2003 - 10:53 AM
Posted 12 March 2003 - 10:57 AM
Posted 12 March 2003 - 02:04 PM
Posted 12 March 2003 - 03:18 PM
No matter what anyones viewpoint is we must support the troops. The world is full of people who would like to destroy our way of life. We have it pretty good here in America when compared to many other countries and I for one, am not willing to give it up.
I want my children to live free and prosper without the possibility of them needing to deal with this 10 years from now, or without them suffering in the future because of our inaction now.
If others need to "leave this plain of existance" to secure the safety of my family, I will regretfully give accent to that. If this makes me seem selfish, or evil; I can live with that too.....
Posted 12 March 2003 - 05:07 PM
And I would have to say if Bush does have information that says Iraq is a threat, or that there may be more attacks, it is important that he shares that information with the American people.
Also, just thought I would share a quote I heard today, that I really liked. "Dissent is Patriotic"
Posted 12 March 2003 - 05:36 PM
For decades we as a nation have allowed a foreign policy that interferes with the affairs of soveriegn nations of the world, in effect trying to remove their cultural and national identities in favor of a more Westernized model.
National defense is something I believe in, however to do this effectively, we must make our country more secure, before we can help others. Also our economic policies abroad leave a lot to be desired. We use food and medical supplies as bargaining chips with extremist nations or factions, and hope that they don't turn against us in the future, which has happened several times in the past quarter century. I feel that we have no right to send this aid overseas under the guise of humanitarian aid when our citizenry doesn't have universal access to basic medical care and we have hungry people here. Charity begins at home.
Only when we can take care of our own affairs, can we hope to efectively help other nations with theirs. This is not a statement of isolationism, just minding our own business and taking care of our own.
Posted 12 March 2003 - 06:32 PM
Hmmmm...so are you saying that we are responsible for a bunch of scruffy misfits stealing several airplanes and killing the passengers aboard and crashing the planes into our buildings to murder 3000 more Americans? ??? You are definately entitled to your opinion, but it is illogical.
I might even support some of your contention, but I cannot get past "However, we brought the actions of September 11th upon ourselves" That's hogwash...
Posted 12 March 2003 - 06:40 PM
Posted 12 March 2003 - 09:36 PM
I agree with you and Flying Orb, our policies towards other countries especially Israel since the WWII is what brought this on, however this was also not an overnight plan, nor did the terrorists up and decide to do this after the last presidential election. This has been a long time coming. Which means it could've/would've happened no matter who was president.
Do I want to see friends and co-workers go off to war, NO, but do I want to have to race home hoping my children are ok because I live within a danger zone of a nuclear power station, with most of my family living in its shadow?
I think he is doing what he can to do right, no one is perfect and even with advisors they will not be right even 75% of the time, we are all human. As to cleaning up after his father, as I told a good friend, what was George H supposed to do in Iraq when almost the entire army surrended, go in and blow up the rest of the country?
As for the economy, a war will boost in through the roof as it always had back to the time of the Crusades where truly most of the problems began. And for sharing information, with the public, since when has that ever occured. During the Gulf War the person I dated was there, the Iraqis knew everything that was going on due to CNN, so please share with us and the entire world everything we plan on doing, so that the next time more people will die.
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results." Albert Einstein
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Posted 13 March 2003 - 04:03 AM
Posted 13 March 2003 - 05:43 AM
It is somewhat therapeutic.....
Posted 13 March 2003 - 06:07 AM
I think we have been more than patient with this whole thing. Can you imagine what would happen to you if you were pulled over, the cop asked if there were any weapons in your car, you said no, the cop searched the car and found a gun. And then to make matters worse, he asked if there were any more weapons in the car, again you said no, he goes back to look and comes up with a pipe bomb.
I think Pres Bush has every right to put his foot down. Don't get me wrong, I hate the thought of our soldiers going to war and the possiblity that we might lose quite a few good people, but that is how this country attained it's freedom in the first place. So we will all need to make sacrafices.
But I also agree with Wayne, the US is not blameless in this entire mess. We have interfered with foreign policy for years, and I think one of the main reasons why is OIL. Face it, the US needs oil, to fuel vehicles as well as the economy. And Bush is not blameless in this either, he is an oil man, but I think he is doing the best that he can right now.
I am curious, does anyone think that Clinton could have done more to prevent this situation? Or do you think he did all that he could?
I feel everyone is putting the blame on Bush for this, but this isn't something that just developed in the past 2 years.
Posted 13 March 2003 - 08:04 AM
I lost 2 very good friends on 9/11, so my passions run a little high on this subject. I don't think that all diplomatic options have been exhausted.
As far as policy at home, the Pres has done a horrendous job, especially economically. By allowing Alan Greenspan to put the brakes on the economy while we were booming. Then to have the 9/11 attacks only crippled the economy more. The homeland security measured could have been implemented before the attacks. THe govt. had information on the immenence of an attack on American soil and chose to do nothing.
Sometimes war is necessary, we just need to exhaust all other options first, and truly make sure we are prepared, and not do it half-assed like the Govt. does most other things.
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