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#1
Posted 15 August 2011 - 04:50 PM
#2
Posted 15 August 2011 - 05:28 PM
#3
Posted 16 August 2011 - 08:20 AM
As far as the echos go who can say? Without actually hearing them no way to tell if it was real or not. Unfortunate.
#4
Posted 17 August 2011 - 10:38 PM
#5
Posted 21 August 2011 - 10:04 AM
#6
Posted 21 August 2011 - 05:21 PM
Remember, the deceased are like you and I. They still have all the emotions that we have, but they are just dead. If they are comfortable with you they will speak to you. It all depends on the person or group that is doing the investigation if they want to communicate to you. I have many "true" evp from them and they are much attatched to me when I decide make contact. My work is in the evidence ally here on this website. Also EVP is the easiest way for them to contact us if they have little or no energy. Thanks! DaveNot to worry. EVPs are very rare. I have recorded over 4,000 hours of audio and managed to get exactly 7 that I would call valid. Those who claim to get several every time they go out generally are capturing nothing but noise and wishful thinking (audio paraedolia)
As far as the echos go who can say? Without actually hearing them no way to tell if it was real or not. Unfortunate.
Edited by damckie, 21 August 2011 - 05:23 PM.
#7
Posted 22 August 2011 - 09:27 AM
Remember, the deceased are like you and I. They still have all the emotions that we have, but they are just dead. If they are comfortable with you they will speak to you. It all depends on the person or group that is doing the investigation if they want to communicate to you. I have many "true" evp from them and they are much attatched to me when I decide make contact. My work is in the evidence ally here on this website. Also EVP is the easiest way for them to contact us if they have little or no energy. Thanks! Dave
Not saying they are not voices of the dead, but on the other hand there is no proof they are! Same goes for emotions, that statement may in fact be true but to date there has been no conclusive evidence supporting it.
Regarding the paredolia I will say I have gotten many recordings that could be construed as EVPs. Where they fail is in later analysis. Maybe the equipment or conditions contained something which could not rule out some mundane source for example. Maybe the area was not secure and there could have been someone else talking that could not be ruled out. Thus I discount them. (I am probably harder on my own evidence than I am on others because I was there when it was captured!).
The best way anyone can use to discount audio paraedolia is the Three Reviews test. Three people listen to the EVP without any previous prompting or clue as to what was said. Each writes down their interpretation without consulting with the other. If all three are the same audio paraedolia is likely not a factor. If two of the three agree and the third does not, then it becomes questionable, (see next paragraph.) . If none agree the EVP is paraedolia. Throw it out.
The degree of agreement is also a factor. Even one word wrong is an issue. However close matches are a mitigating factor. For instance, if two of the three interpret the words as "go", and the other says, "hoe", then that is a close match PROVIDED the rest of the statement remains identical and remains in context. However two words wrong or an entirely different interpretation by the third means the EVP fails. Throw it out.
When dealing with the context also give credit to the length of the EVP. Single word, single syllabel statements are generally discounted since they can easily be mistaken as some other noise. Even if they seem to answer a question. For instance, if I ask, "What happened to you" and the answer comes back, "died"., that is rather meaningless. However if the answer comes back "I died in the fire." Then the multiple word answer is much more credible. The trick for the investigator is ask questions which require multiple word answers!
#8
Posted 24 August 2011 - 07:24 PM
Cave, I will come back later to comment on the rest, but I have to go. But I disagree with your last statement about them using only one word. Hearing multiple words from them are great, but what if they don't have enough energy to complete the sentence on how they died? Their energy only lasts for so long. Food for thought here. And I always wonder why they always say "help me" to us, but never on what kind of help they need. DaveRemember, the deceased are like you and I. They still have all the emotions that we have, but they are just dead. If they are comfortable with you they will speak to you. It all depends on the person or group that is doing the investigation if they want to communicate to you. I have many "true" evp from them and they are much attatched to me when I decide make contact. My work is in the evidence ally here on this website. Also EVP is the easiest way for them to contact us if they have little or no energy. Thanks! Dave
Not saying they are not voices of the dead, but on the other hand there is no proof they are! Same goes for emotions, that statement may in fact be true but to date there has been no conclusive evidence supporting it.
Regarding the paredolia I will say I have gotten many recordings that could be construed as EVPs. Where they fail is in later analysis. Maybe the equipment or conditions contained something which could not rule out some mundane source for example. Maybe the area was not secure and there could have been someone else talking that could not be ruled out. Thus I discount them. (I am probably harder on my own evidence than I am on others because I was there when it was captured!).
The best way anyone can use to discount audio paraedolia is the Three Reviews test. Three people listen to the EVP without any previous prompting or clue as to what was said. Each writes down their interpretation without consulting with the other. If all three are the same audio paraedolia is likely not a factor. If two of the three agree and the third does not, then it becomes questionable, (see next paragraph.) . If none agree the EVP is paraedolia. Throw it out.
The degree of agreement is also a factor. Even one word wrong is an issue. However close matches are a mitigating factor. For instance, if two of the three interpret the words as "go", and the other says, "hoe", then that is a close match PROVIDED the rest of the statement remains identical and remains in context. However two words wrong or an entirely different interpretation by the third means the EVP fails. Throw it out.
When dealing with the context also give credit to the length of the EVP. Single word, single syllabel statements are generally discounted since they can easily be mistaken as some other noise. Even if they seem to answer a question. For instance, if I ask, "What happened to you" and the answer comes back, "died"., that is rather meaningless. However if the answer comes back "I died in the fire." Then the multiple word answer is much more credible. The trick for the investigator is ask questions which require multiple word answers!
Edited by damckie, 24 August 2011 - 07:26 PM.
#9
Posted 27 August 2011 - 07:10 PM
Edited by damckie, 27 August 2011 - 07:12 PM.
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