Posted 04 December 2003 - 07:36 AM
not seen it in either Mn, Tenn, NY or Tx and was just wondering why they did it? Was it a significant fact to the person buried there...is it California snobbery that the cad buried under the oak was a native of Maine? Curiously, this custom of identifying a non-native Californian was more popular in the mid-19th Century to the early 20th and I just don't get it.
I'd say maybe the gold rush, but San Francisco's like 220 miles away
Posted 04 December 2003 - 10:29 AM
ALTHOUGH... i do seem to remember old old cemetaries in colorado (near ghost towns or old mining towns that migrated away from the original cemetary and settlement) that had very INFORMATIVE tombstones. those of which i speak are probably contemporary with the ones near SF.
it seems that pre-1890s tombstones go so far as to list family of the deceased (son or daughter of... mother or father of...), manner of death (consumption is common... i've even seen some that read "died of grief"), of course military rank or public office (more common - even now) and sometimes an occupation or achievement. post 1890 it seems that only people of standing had that much on their stone, or at least it's not as popular these days to have a paragraph of info on your headstone.
do you think this might have been the case?
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OH! AND, before the civil war (1865), people did not necessarily have an allegiance to the United States of America, because there was no such thing, so an allegiance to their state or foreign country was strong.
HUH? *repeatedly thumps his head on a history book in frustration and vows to give up trying to teach history* [smiley=cwm36.gif]
Posted 04 December 2003 - 02:02 PM
I think most likely that since the country was still young, and there were still many unsettled areas (by whites, at least), that MANY people were from other places than where they died. So, their relatives placed their origins on the tombstones to commemorate their roots.
Posted 04 December 2003 - 03:28 PM
about a Pioneer Cemetary in Tehachepi, so maybe I can see if
there are any similarities when I go up there. I have seen family relations though, in fact they're still done at least
if you mean a commemoration like "Beloved father, husband and brother"?
Bridget...um, the Declaration of Independence referred to this then fledgling nation as "These United States". What I didn't know until a month or so ago is that California was a Union state,in fact Alcatraz was a Union fort and gunboats
patrolled the bay of San Francisco, guarding against attack by Johnny Reb.
Mastermind, That is probably the best explanation, that descendants can remember their roots*snickers*maybe so their granddaughters wouldn't bob their heads from side to side when they talk.
Flyingorb, stop that, you'll hurt that History book [smiley=cwm27.gif]
Posted 04 December 2003 - 03:47 PM
yeah, the headstones in CO that i mentioned were really bizarre. some of the most morbid, actually. i'm talking little children's graves with sculpted dead doves on top. ugh.
one of them said something like "jane doe, devoted and most wonderful daughter, aged five years, died april 1, 18something, of a most wretched bout of consumption - lord keep and rest your beautiful soul". really very poetic!
Posted 04 December 2003 - 04:33 PM
Flyingorb, stop that, you'll hurt that History book
Let him be, whispers. He might learn something by osmosis. [smiley=cwm4.gif] [smiley=cwm4.gif] [smiley=cwm4.gif]
Hey, BTW flyingorb, did you know that your avatar is missing?
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