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#1 Willow

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 03:15 PM

While veiwing the website of the upcoming Tim Burton film *Corpse Bride* I was suprised to learn the movie is inspired by Russian Folklore but can't seem to find any good links...anyone?

I could also swear to hearing of stories about corpse brides from other parts of the world but cant for the life of me remember them :)
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Posted 20 June 2005 - 03:39 PM

Most I've ever heard about something like that is from some of my ghost stories books. Wouldn't you know the instant the topic comes up I draw a blank!!! :brownbounce:

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Posted 20 June 2005 - 04:46 PM

Hrmmmm....interesting. I'll run off a search tonight and see what I can find.

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Posted 21 June 2005 - 12:16 AM

This is an interesting topic. I'm definitely looking forward to what VampChick finds out.

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Posted 21 June 2005 - 03:03 AM

I found this info...

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TRIVIA
The legend of the Corpse Bride began as a nighttime horror story in 19th century Russia. Anti-Semitism was strong, and Jewish girls would often be ambushed and murdered on their way to their own weddings in order to prevent bearing future generations.

Because of the Jewish tradition of being buried with the clothes one died in, these girls would invariably be laid to rest wearing their blood-splattered bridal gowns.

http://www.filmfetis..._bride_2005.htm

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ALSO this...

THE CORPSE BRIDE - A Russian folklore....based on a real story

Once upon a time there was a young man who lived in a village in Russia. He was to be married and he and his friend prepared to go to the village where his bride-to-be lived, two days walk from his own village.

The first night the two friends decided to set up camp by a river. The young man who was going to be married spotted an unusual looking stick in the ground that looked like a bony finger. He and his friend started joking about this bony finger sticking out of the ground and the young man who was going to be married took the golden wedding ring from his pocket and put it on the strange-looking stick. And then he started to do the wedding dance around the stick; he danced around the stick with the golden wedding ring three times and he sang the Jewish wedding song, and recited the entire marriage sacrament as he danced around the stick, he and his friend laughing the whole time.

Their fun stopped suddenly when the earth started rumbling and shaking beneath their feet. The place where the stick had been opened up and a very bedraggled looking corpse emerged, a living corpse, she had been a bride, but now was barely more than a skeleton held together by shreds of skin, still wearing an old torn white silk wedding dress. Worms and spider webs hung on the once-beaded bodice and tattered veil.

The two young men were aghast.

"Ah," she said, "you have done the wedding dance and pronounced the marriage vows and you have put a ring on my finger. Now we are man and wife. I demand my rights as your bride."

Shuddering with terror at the corpse bride's words, the two young men fled to the village where the young bride was waiting to be married. They went straight to the rabbi.

"Rabbi," asked the young man breathlessly, "I have a very important question to ask you. If by some chance you're walking in the woods and you happen to see a stick that looks like a long bony finger coming out of the ground and you happen to put a golden wedding ring on the finger and do the wedding dance and pronounce the wedding vows, is this indeed a real marriage?"

Looking very puzzled, the rabbi asked, "Do you know of such a situation?"

"Oh no, no, of course not, it's just a hypothetical question."

Stroking his long beard thoughfully, the rabbi said, "let me think about it."

And just then, a big gust of wind blew the door open, and in walked the corpse bride. "I lay claim to this man as my husband, for he has placed this wedding ring on my finger and pronounced the solemn marriage vows," she demanded, her bony finger rattling as she shook it at her intended brigegroom.

"This is indeed a very serious matter. I'll have to consult with the other rabbis," said the rabbi.

Soon all the rabbis from the surrounding villages were gathered together. They went into conference, while the two young men anxiously awaited their decision.

The corpse bride waited on the porch tapping her foot, declaring, "I want to celebrate my wedding night with my husband."

These chilling words made every hair on the young man's body stand on end, though it was a warm summer day.

While the rabbis were conferring, the real human bride arrived and wanted to know what all the fuss was about. When her fiance explained just what had happened, she started weeping, "Oh, my life is ruined, all my hopes and dreams are shattered; I'll never be married, never have a family."

Just then the rabbis came out and asked: "Did you indeed put a gold ring on the finger, and did you dance around it three times and did you indeed pronounce the wedding vows in their entirety?"

The two young men who by this time were cowering in a far corner nodded their heads.

Looking very serious the rabbis went back to confer again.

And the young bride wept bitter tears, while the corpse bride was by now gloating at the prospect of her long awaited wedding night.

After a short while the rabbis solemnly marched out, took their seats, and announced, "Since you put the wedding ring on the finger of the corpse bride and you danced around it three times reciting the wedding vows, we have determined that this constitutes a proper wedding ceremony.....

well...the rest of the story is for me to know & for you to find out .........jangan nak malas...gi carik sana!

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The Corpse Bride is a story based on actual events that occurred in 19th century Russia, at a time when anti-semitism was widespread in eastern Europe. Very often bands of anti-semites would waylay a Jewish wedding party on their way to the wedding. And because the bride would be the one to bear future generations, she would be murdered.


She would then be buried in her wedding gown.

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Posted 21 June 2005 - 07:05 AM

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Posted 21 June 2005 - 07:11 AM

I haven't found anything myself but this is an interesting subject.
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Posted 21 June 2005 - 03:33 PM

I ran a search today on this piece of folklore, and pretty much collected what Simmy has. That the movie by Tim Burton (love him..) is based on a snippet of Russian folklore, partially with regards to Jewish brides and partially in regards to a bride that passed away, was buried with her ring finger sticking out of the ground and a thoughtless young man jokingly doing the marriage vows and dance around the grave.

Which begs the question....most folklore has a lesson in it...I've yet to locate a thesis as to the lesson behind this legend.

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Posted 21 June 2005 - 04:06 PM

Wow Simmy, that's exactly what I was searching for, what a great eerie story :cheerleader: Now i'm beyond excited to see the movie!

Vamp, i'd be interested in knowing where the basis of the legend comes from, the term "Corpse Bride" instantly reminds me of the story about "Count" Carl Von Cosel, for those that don't know the story...

This story, the true story of German immigrant Georg Karl Tanzler (AKA Count Carl von Cosel) and Elena Milagro Hoyos Mesa, isn’t exactly a ghost story and doesn’t have anything to do with a haunting. But, read on, and you will be freaked out beyond your wildest imagination. Self-proclaimed Count von Cosel was an x-ray technician in Key West. He was 54 when he fell madly in love with Elena, a 22 year old patient dying of tuberculosis. He begged Elena to marry him but, a devout Catholic whose husband left her, she declined. Sadly, Elena died in late 1931 and was placed in a mausoleum Cosel had built for her in Key West Cemetery. About a year and a half later, the bereft Count took Elena from her resting place and brought her to a new one: his bedroom. Cosel began to “reconstruct” Elena’s body out of wax, plaster of paris and silk. He lived with her as though she was his wife until the family found out seven years later. The second showing of Elena’s body was held at Dean-Lopez Funeral Home, and she was placed in a secret grave. Only Dean knows of the spot, and will pass it to his sons before he dies. This story has been featured on many different television shows and in countless books.

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Posted 21 June 2005 - 06:06 PM

I ran a search today on this piece of folklore, and pretty much collected what Simmy has.  That the movie by Tim Burton (love him..) is based on a snippet of Russian folklore, partially with regards to Jewish brides and partially in regards to a bride that passed away, was buried with her ring finger sticking out of the ground and a thoughtless young man jokingly doing the marriage vows and dance around the grave.

Which begs the question....most folklore has a lesson in it...I've yet to locate a thesis as to the lesson behind this legend.

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Posted 21 June 2005 - 07:17 PM

Very interesting :clap:
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Posted 21 June 2005 - 07:27 PM

Very interesting links, Willow.
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Posted 22 June 2005 - 05:50 AM

Link w/pictures
http://www.voltini.com/id43.htm

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That is just plain freaky!! Thats beyond romantic! I wont go into detail, you've all read it, but parts in there are just EWWWWW!! lol

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Posted 22 June 2005 - 09:08 AM

That is just plain freaky!! Thats beyond romantic! I wont go into detail, you've all read it, but parts in there are just EWWWWW!! lol

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I agree, Simmy. That guy was one sick puppy :( You obviously read the same part I did . . .
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Posted 22 June 2005 - 09:43 AM

THere is far too many uses for cotton wool!! :(




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